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Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Post by aetherspawn »

FireBeyond wrote: post #92
paulryanrogers wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 1) I’ve put enough kms on FSD to know that it isn’t going to drive into a house. Is it possible FSD on this vehicle was a different version? Can't FSD change from one drive to the next, based on software updates or even external conditions? Perhaps you drove in a different region with differing conditions? > 3) Regardless of who was controlling it, why did this guy let his car jump the kerb and go through a house?…

> Perhaps you drove in a different region with differing conditions? Agreed. He's driven it "across Australia". Which means long straight highways for hundreds and hundreds of miles at a time (then recharge, then do long straight highway for hundreds and hundreds of miles), and often fairly lightly trafficked: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Perth,+Western+Australia,+Au... Like... absolutely shocking that FSD perform…

Haha. Driving through Sydney is way worse than Los Angeles. We don’t all live out in the sticks with snakes in our boots.

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

#102

Post by FireBeyond »

bellowsgulch wrote: post #27

It's just not a serious technology. Street-by-street speed limit data exists, and where it doesn't, there are laws across the US as to what speed limits are based on area. Tons of map data to tell you where is residential and commercial, a street and a highway, an on-ramp, and so on. But FSD doesn't abide by speed limits, and Waymo does, and it is truly self-driving. So, it's all bullshit. Since day one, it's never b…

There used to be UI options for "by how much can FSD exceed the posted speed limit" and "should FSD actually come to a stop at a stop sign".

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

#103

Post by FireBeyond »

aetherspawn wrote: post #101
FireBeyond wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Perhaps you drove in a different region with differing conditions? Agreed. He's driven it "across Australia". Which means long straight highways for hundreds and hundreds of miles at a time (then recharge, then do long straight highway for hundreds and hundreds of miles), and often fairly lightly trafficked: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Perth,+Western+Australia,+Au... Like... absolutely shocking that FSD perform…

Haha. Driving through Sydney is way worse than Los Angeles. We don’t all live out in the sticks with snakes in our boots.

I would agree, and know well, though I lived in Melbourne for two decades. But still, "driving across Australia" doesn't involve a lot of time spent in the Sydney (or Melbourne) CBDs.

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

#104

Post by iJohnDoe »

sparky_z wrote: post #84
Snoozus wrote: post #44

Here is a video from the youtube channel Better Biomed, from the scene, apparently it was his house: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L_8x-Y0jqg

And doorbell footage of the crash. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR_Y_yf84m8 Holy shit, it looks like it was going at full highway speeds (at least) in a residential neighborhood. Doesn't look like it attempts to stop or steer away at any point. This seems like the outcome one would expect from a passed-out driver and a stuck accelerator. I'm honestly amazed that the driver survived.

It looks like a culdesac? Why would it be driving that fast into a culdesac?

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

#105

Post by ares623 »

jcgrillo wrote: post #65
ares623 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My nightmare has become reality. Software engineers now rule the world. Life and death policies being made by people who last week you were arguing about whether using Kubernetes is worth it for a throwaway project, or whether tabs or spaces are more appropriate.

I just wonder how bad it will have to get before they decide we need to be reigned in. Going by how the 20th Century went, if it's anything like that we're in for a rough time before we get there--like, to a place where software engineers have to act like, well, engineers.

First people need to realize just how much software engineers have become more influential in their day to day lives.

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

#106

Post by ojosilva »

wnmurphy wrote: post #18

The telemetry will tell the story, not the clickbait news headline based on preliminary information. I seriously doubt FSD would drive into a house.

Teslas do glithcy speed limits readings often, from GPS drift (ie. it thinks the car is on the highway) or may be deceived by some sign with numbers on the street.

When that happens and depending on Autopilot [1] settings, the car will shoot out to reach the new limit. If the driver is distracted enough not to notice or react in time, the car could crash. GPS inaccuracy does sound plausible given Teslas slow down if an abrupt change of direction is near (ie roundabout) per GPS and map data.

The house sits at a corner, not a culthesac.

1. It's not clear the driver allegedly said "autopilot" or "FSD"

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Post by dlcarrier »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #43
wnmurphy wrote: post #18

The telemetry will tell the story, not the clickbait news headline based on preliminary information. I seriously doubt FSD would drive into a house.

If Tesla was bold enough to intentionally auto disengage seconds before an accident (to avoid liability) then can they be trusted to maintain telemetry throughout dicey circumstances?

Auto disengaging seconds before an acciden't isn't a Tesla-specific thing, it's part of the standard for any driving automation SAE level 3 or lower (https://www.sae.org/news/blog/sae-levels-driving-automation-...). The vehicle will return driving over to the human any time it's unable to determine what to do.

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

#108

Post by dlcarrier »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #22
plandis wrote: post #12

The title is misleading and shifts blame from the driver to the machine. Ultimately the driver is responsible. Edit: For the folks who seem to think that this is marketed as unsupervised self driving, from Teslas own website it states “Currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous.” https://www.tesla.com/fsd

> Ultimately the driver is responsible Recent lawsuits [1] seem to suggest both are. The driver committed manslaughter and should go to jail. The company sold a dangerous product that killed someone and should pay massive damages. [1] https://electrek.co/2026/04/16/tesla-facing-up-to-14-billion...

It's not even a recent thing. Before the turn of the century, jurors holding Cessna liable for incidents cause by pilot error was a common enough occurrence that it basically destroyed the light airplane industry through skyrocketing liability insurance prices.

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

#109

Post by general1465 »

xnx wrote: post #37

Without knowing the "full" details of this crash, it is outrageous that Tesla calls it "Full Self-Driving (Supervised)" on their website. This is like naming a product "Healthy Dog Food (Rat poison)". If it requires supervision, it is not "full". Period. I thought previous lawsuits would've forced Tesla to call it "Advanced Driver Assist" or something.

> "Full Self-Driving (Supervised)"

Water (Dry)

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

#110

Post by rsynnott »

plandis wrote: post #12

The title is misleading and shifts blame from the driver to the machine. Ultimately the driver is responsible. Edit: For the folks who seem to think that this is marketed as unsupervised self driving, from Teslas own website it states “Currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous.” https://www.tesla.com/fsd

"The name is a lie, but we have a disclaimer" is not generally considered adequate.
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