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UHF X11: X11 Built for VisionOS and Apple Vision Pro

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Re: UHF X11: X11 Built for VisionOS and Apple Vision Pro

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Seem to be unavailable in German App Store?…

You can always switch to US app store region (cancel exisiting subscriptions, leave family, and wait until apple music/tv subscription is expired).

You won’t be able to use non-US credit card for the app store but you can always buy US virtual apple gift cards on amazon straight from apple shop there.

Re: UHF X11: X11 Built for VisionOS and Apple Vision Pro

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why not? Personally, I tried but the crap with my prescription because I wear glasses was too much, so I didn't end up getting one because I fail at executive function.

I need a new couch more than I need an AR headset, for one. $3,500 is a lot of money for a glorified devkit.

The Apple Lisa was introduced at around $10k (~$32k in today’s dollars). I do agree it is expensive but not historically out of line for a version one of a new product category for the company.

Re: UHF X11: X11 Built for VisionOS and Apple Vision Pro

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I need a new couch more than I need an AR headset, for one. $3,500 is a lot of money for a glorified devkit.

The Apple Lisa was introduced at around $10k (~$32k in today’s dollars). I do agree it is expensive but not historically out of line for a version one of a new product category for the company.

And thousands of Lisas went unsold, eventually getting dumped in a landfill after failing to find an eager audience like the Apple II enjoyed. There's a lesson, there.

Re: UHF X11: X11 Built for VisionOS and Apple Vision Pro

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Apple Lisa was introduced at around $10k (~$32k in today’s dollars). I do agree it is expensive but not historically out of line for a version one of a new product category for the company.

And thousands of Lisas went unsold, eventually getting dumped in a landfill after failing to find an eager audience like the Apple II enjoyed. There's a lesson, there.

Without the Lisa we wouldn’t have the Mac. The Vision Pro is a first gen of a new product category for Apple and I fully expect whatever comes from it will be very different than what we have today.

Re: UHF X11: X11 Built for VisionOS and Apple Vision Pro

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>3D in 2D in 3D. OpenGL clients can use GLX rendering over X11. Compatibility varies, as it did in the 2000s. Made me chuckle. I think at one point in my life I actually knew which exact GL versions and features were working on which servers. Also it's pretty cool. Still won't buy an AVP.

why not? Personally, I tried but the crap with my prescription because I wear glasses was too much, so I didn't end up getting one because I fail at executive function.

I've been interested in VR for a while and would be interested to try out a headset I could actually work in, but personally my interest in the Apple Vision Pro basically disappeared when the Steam Frame was announced.

It's lower resolution, but I think it would probably be sufficient for light work, and I'm not really interested in the pass-through camera features of the AVP. The real differentiator though was that the steam frame will also work with my existing computer for gaming, and I think it's likely to be much more hackable than the Apple Vision.

Re: UHF X11: X11 Built for VisionOS and Apple Vision Pro

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I can't believe the screenshot isn't running xeyes. At least it is TWM.

Apps don’t get access to gaze position on the Vision Pro, for privacy/security reasons.

You can get the user's head position using WorldTrackingProvider, that's enough for xeyes to follow you across the room.

There's even a sample app close enough

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/visionOS/placing-e...

Re: UHF X11: X11 Built for VisionOS and Apple Vision Pro

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And thousands of Lisas went unsold, eventually getting dumped in a landfill after failing to find an eager audience like the Apple II enjoyed. There's a lesson, there.

Without the Lisa we wouldn’t have the Mac. The Vision Pro is a first gen of a new product category for Apple and I fully expect whatever comes from it will be very different than what we have today.

The Mac arrived one year and five days after the Lisa. Vision Pro is over two years old now. It got a speed bump, but not a price decrease.

I think the Vision Pro will be more like the Newton vs current iPads. Something will eventually replace it, but it will be significantly different, not slightly different, like Lisa vs Mac (I know they cut corners for the Mac, changing some nice OS features)

Re: UHF X11: X11 Built for VisionOS and Apple Vision Pro

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May I ask what the recommendation is at the moment if I want a Linux AR headset that can take prescription lenses (or accommodate glasses)? I'd like to write my own code but not have to beg somebody else to let me run it.

Oh absolutely wait like two weeks and get on the list for a Steam Frame. It actually runs arch Linux and Steam says “it’s your computer, you can do what you want with it” unlike Meta and the Quest. I’m excited to do Kicad in mine.

Thanks, that looks tempting! Shame about the monochrome camera, but maybe I can use an add-on camera to colour in the world.

Re: UHF X11: X11 Built for VisionOS and Apple Vision Pro

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post #31

Seem to be unavailable in German App Store?…

You can always switch to US app store region (cancel exisiting subscriptions, leave family, and wait until apple music/tv subscription is expired). You won’t be able to use non-US credit card for the app store but you can always buy US virtual apple gift cards on amazon straight from apple shop there.

Just that easy! /s
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