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Windows 11 New Media Player Uses 3.5x More RAM, Charges for Popular Video Codecs

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Re: Windows 11 New Media Player Uses 3.5x More RAM, Charges for Popular Video Codecs

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

dist-epoch wrote: post #69
est31 wrote: post #16

Removing HEVC support wasn't their choice but probably stems from the licensing pools increasing their prices [1]. Windows media player probably sees very little usage nowadays and probably even less for HEVC, when most content playback happens via streaming and browsers today. As for the RAM increase, well that's probably a consequence of the general trend of doing frontend engineering via JS/TS instead of using OS…

The HEVC support is free is you know the "secret" link: ms-windows-store://pdp?productId=9N4WGH0Z6VHQ It's a wide know workaround, been there for years, obviously Microsoft pretends they don't know about it. https://www.howtogeek.com/680690/how-to-install-free-hevc-co...

Your link says this doesn't work anymore?

Re: Windows 11 New Media Player Uses 3.5x More RAM, Charges for Popular Video Codecs

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Post by qmr »

ruszki wrote: post #38
cfiggers wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean... Yes, but there's nuance here. Using 400 MB of RAM vs 100 MB of RAM is close to unnoticeable in a world of a GB+ for a single Chrome tab ... And if "easier for our developers" means the end user is getting more regular updates with fewer critical issues, then it's not an uncomplicated tradeoff at all, parts of it are actually synergistic.

There are 100s of processes running on my Windows without starting anything explicitly. They are using more than 10 gb of RAM. I am already feeling the consequences of this sloppiness. Especially that my IDE/compiler/emulator easily use 20+ GB. My 32 GB of memory is not enough somehow…

Why would you use such a system?

Re: Windows 11 New Media Player Uses 3.5x More RAM, Charges for Popular Video Codecs

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Post by goodmythical »

tosh wrote: post #58

> The modern Media Player is said to use around 377MB of RAM when idle, compared to roughly 103MB for the old player—about 3.5x as much memory while doing absolutely nothing. even 103MB sound like a lot for doing nothing

Idk, using the same file I got mpv: 144mb, vlc: 144mb.

Reccomendations for other lower ram solutions?

Re: Windows 11 New Media Player Uses 3.5x More RAM, Charges for Popular Video Codecs

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Post by redsocksfan45 »

foresto wrote: post #93
magicalhippo wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well there's an old kid in town, MPC-HC is still being maintained[1] to the great joy for us who dislike the VLC UX. [1]: https://github.com/clsid2/mpc-hc/

If mpv on Linux and MPC-HC on Windows, what is recommended on macOS?

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Re: Windows 11 New Media Player Uses 3.5x More RAM, Charges for Popular Video Codecs

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Post by duxup »

concinds wrote: post #29
est31 wrote: post #16

Removing HEVC support wasn't their choice but probably stems from the licensing pools increasing their prices [1]. Windows media player probably sees very little usage nowadays and probably even less for HEVC, when most content playback happens via streaming and browsers today. As for the RAM increase, well that's probably a consequence of the general trend of doing frontend engineering via JS/TS instead of using OS…

'It's worse for our users, but easier for our developers' is an unacceptable tradeoff, they deserve the backlash.

I don’t know if that really is any different than any other time.

Re: Windows 11 New Media Player Uses 3.5x More RAM, Charges for Popular Video Codecs

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Post by nekusar »

rustcleaner wrote: post #123
fecal_henge wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a lot of professional software that locks people in also.

Qubes OS is nice for that. Set up a plain vanilla Windows TemplateVM (Windows Firewall whitelisting in/outbound connections), clone the vanilla template for each subset of applications, then make a bunch of AppVMs which point to those cloned templates.

The big bummer with Qubes and Linux virtualization is that there's no easy way to spoof or lie about hardware.

Some software is invasive in that it actively scans for VM's and does bad stuff.

Re: Windows 11 New Media Player Uses 3.5x More RAM, Charges for Popular Video Codecs

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Post by GeorgeWBasic »

UqWBcuFx6NV4r wrote: post #140
GeorgeWBasic wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you heard that there's a RAM shortage?

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Nope, a comment that flippant about wasting RAM use deserves that snark. It's always been bad to do it, and it's even worse nowadays.

Re: Windows 11 New Media Player Uses 3.5x More RAM, Charges for Popular Video Codecs

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Post by hsbauauvhabzb »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #116
hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now multiply that opinion by every application on your computer. Including the start bar and notepad.exe.

I normally don't have notepad.exe or the windows media player open, so it's irrelevant. Chrome, clangd, rustc, etc. are all that matter. Optimizing anything else fails the pareto principle. I definitely do not want Microsoft paying its engineers to optimize windows media player memory usage.

I don’t want a trillion dollar investment in ram reduction, but the fist 80% of optimisation will be trivially achieved. Microsoft have a conflict of interest given they also sell surface devices where pushing people to the more expensive models is beneficial, while also probably benefiting when other hardware manufacturers benefit too.
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