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Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Post by FireBeyond »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #53
wnmurphy wrote: post #18

The telemetry will tell the story, not the clickbait news headline based on preliminary information. I seriously doubt FSD would drive into a house.

The reddit post from the grandchild says "autopilot", which is really just lane keeping and adaptive cruise control. I believe autopilot would totally run into a house. It doesn't respect stop signs or red lights. If the house is at a T intersection the autopilot might try to drive right through it. I agree about FSD though

Adaptive cruise control certainly shouldn't run into a house, for the same reason it should detect a stationary (or slow) object in front of you and gradually slow to a stop before it.

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Post by FireBeyond »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #35
aetherspawn wrote: post #30

Ok, 3 things. 1) I’ve put enough kms on FSD - it’s taken me across Australia a few times, probably 10,000kms in total - to know that it isn’t going to drive into a house. 2) Even if FSD is enabled, there’s loads of things you can do to create an accident like press the brakes or accelerator pedals, which doesn’t necessarily disengage FSD right away, so let’s just wait for the telemetry to get released. 3) Regardless…

> 1) I’ve put enough kms on FSD to know that it isn’t going to drive into a house. Is it possible FSD on this vehicle was a different version? Can't FSD change from one drive to the next, based on software updates or even external conditions? Perhaps you drove in a different region with differing conditions? > 3) Regardless of who was controlling it, why did this guy let his car jump the kerb and go through a house?…

> Perhaps you drove in a different region with differing conditions?

Agreed.

He's driven it "across Australia". Which means long straight highways for hundreds and hundreds of miles at a time (then recharge, then do long straight highway for hundreds and hundreds of miles), and often fairly lightly trafficked:

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Perth,+Western+Australia,+Au...

Like... absolutely shocking that FSD performs decently on well maintained, largely straight highway in generally clear desert conditions. Surely this is indicative of its behavior everywhere else! /s

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Post by FireBeyond »

powerbroker wrote: post #4

Something is terribly broken in the software release process that constantly allows a worse user experience (including autonomous) as Tesla 'matures' its operations. I'm driving a Tesla, that recently added a 'warning' over a center-display showing the three rear-pointing cameras. 1. The cameras only show while operating in reverse; 2. The warning entirely obscures 30-50% of the view in one or more cameras; 3. The wa…

Used to work in the hardware industry. Friend worked for a company who was a component manufacturer about the mindset of Tesla - which affirmed to him why he'd never buy one:

"Hey, we sent you over the new firmware for the component, check it out." (The test suite for this component takes approximately 36 hours to execute.)

Three hours later:

"This is working so much better, thanks a lot!"

"???"

"Oh, we just flashed a car we have here and took it out for a drive."

"?!?"

Oof.

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Post by Retric »

Reason077 wrote: post #88
Retric wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At minimum it needs to pay attention to railroad crossing bars and bridges. They show a 2D representation to the driver because that’s good enough for drivers, but I wouldn’t assume that represents how the system operates internally at every stage. Even navigating requires the concept of bridges crossing roads without intersecting them.

It is indeed known to have issues at railway crossings: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47783427 AFAIK, there's no issue with bridges that cross roads, however. It will just ignore a road that's above or below the one you're travelling on that doesn't intersect with yours. Just like a human driver would do.

> It is indeed known to have issues at railway crossings:

At scale you can “have issues” and still work 99% of the time. If it’s completely incapable of handling railroad crossings that’s relatively easy to verify.

> AFAIK, there's no issue with bridges that cross roads, however. It will just ignore a road that's above or below the one you're travelling on that doesn't intersect with yours. Just like a human driver would do.

As a user of the system that’s worked it all out it’s not an issue for you, but getting that behavior from raw sensor data is non trivial.

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Post by s1artibartfast »

sparky_z wrote: post #84
Snoozus wrote: post #44

Here is a video from the youtube channel Better Biomed, from the scene, apparently it was his house: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L_8x-Y0jqg

And doorbell footage of the crash. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR_Y_yf84m8 Holy shit, it looks like it was going at full highway speeds (at least) in a residential neighborhood. Doesn't look like it attempts to stop or steer away at any point. This seems like the outcome one would expect from a passed-out driver and a stuck accelerator. I'm honestly amazed that the driver survived.

Yeah, would be interesting to see what the cause is. These things do happen from time to time with cars

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Post by moralestapia »

aaomidi wrote: post #76
thephyber wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems your standards are pretty arbitrary. Personally I want to know that a provable crime was actually committed before calling for someone to be jailed.

Also jailing basically doesn’t solve this problem?

Whenever the victim happens to be you or your loved ones, I'd love to see you maintaining that character you seem to portray.

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Post by magicalhippo »

xnx wrote: post #37

Without knowing the "full" details of this crash, it is outrageous that Tesla calls it "Full Self-Driving (Supervised)" on their website. This is like naming a product "Healthy Dog Food (Rat poison)". If it requires supervision, it is not "full". Period. I thought previous lawsuits would've forced Tesla to call it "Advanced Driver Assist" or something.

My SO just complained about the same when she found out the jug labled weed killer she bought in fact affects all plants and grass, not just weeds.

"Why isn't it called plant killer rather than weed killer", she griped. Why indeed.

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Post by occoder »

1e1a wrote: post #71

Why do news outlets so often use the phrase "high rate of speed"? Speed isn't a discrete event, it can't really have a rate, unless it is a rate of change, in which case they would be referring to acceleration.

Yeah that's cringey, "high speed" is enough.

Sounds like a junior reporter trying to hit a word count.

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Post by pjjpo »

xnx wrote: post #37

Without knowing the "full" details of this crash, it is outrageous that Tesla calls it "Full Self-Driving (Supervised)" on their website. This is like naming a product "Healthy Dog Food (Rat poison)". If it requires supervision, it is not "full". Period. I thought previous lawsuits would've forced Tesla to call it "Advanced Driver Assist" or something.

I agree with the sentiment and don't like Elon at all. But I think there is a case to say the Full refers to features, so not only lane change / parking, but actual driving fully. If it said Perfect FSD or even High Quality FSD, that's definitely worse, but we have to acknowledge FSD can fully drive in many cases, not enough for me to be comfortable enough maybe, but comparing to rat poison seems like a stretch.
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