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Re: Pre-2022 Books

#81
post #45

There has always been shit books - let that sink in. There will be _more_ shit books now, but that's the only difference. There will be probably a constant rate of "good" books.

Quantity has a quality (or lack thereof) all its own.

How many shit books can or will you wade through to find a good one? Particularly when some percentage of the shit ones are "good enough" that you won't necessarily know it was shit until after you've read some or all of it? What do you do when the ratio of shit to good is 100:1 or 10,000:1? In the past, you could find a trusted publisher or reviewer without too much trouble. Soon, if not already, the publisher and the reviewers will have the same dross ratio as the books do.

Re: Pre-2022 Books

#82
post #59

We are witnessing the birth of the term "pre-times" you often see in dystopian sci-fi.

E.M. Forster called it 117 years ago, in 1909, in The Machine Stops.

In this dystopian sci-fi novel, E.M. Forster depicts modern life for humans: detached from each other, living in solitary silos above the barren Earth below, which has become an infertile wasteland of itself, and only ever connecting from their rooms by projecting “holograms” of themselves to interact remotely with one another. Spoiler alert: the machine experiences a catastrophic failure event.

Re: Pre-2022 Books

#83
post #31

C-c C-v existed well before 2022. Most of history until the Renaissances consisted of the bulk of scholars copying out of "the book" whatever the book happened to be (Euclid, The Bible, Aristotle’s Logica Vetus, Cicero's Orations and De Officiis, 四書五經, 史記, 文選) The liberal concept that the everyman should have their own original thoughts that others should consider is a historically a very new concept. And we start ge…

    See humans have the tendency to romanticize the past, and if this is allowed to compound they elevate really quite dismal people to the realm of literal godhood in some cases. If you asked someone a thousand years ago what they though life was like thousands of years in the past and what it will be like thousands of years in the future most would have said the past was better in all regards including health, strength, morals even technology; while the future would be viewed as the continual circling of the drain.
Historical futurism is actually a pretty interesting subject rather than the tediously gritty monoculture you're imagining here. Early roman writers often imagined the empire would continue without end, for example. There was no circling of the drain. Many renaissance thinkers thought that the "dark ages" of medieval Europe were a temporary measure, hence the name "renaissance" or revival. Others were much much more cynical, and believed in an imminent apocalypse (e.g. the forecasted deluge of 1524). By the 17th century, people were writing utopian science fiction [0, 1], though some of these are really only utopian in the sense that Fukuyama's "end of history" is.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Atlantis

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blazing_World

Re: Pre-2022 Books

#85
post #33

It’s not just 2022 and earlier books. There’s a supply chain problem as well. I’ve seen two older books so far from Amazon which were AI generated copy text with a genuine looking cover on it. Amazon just took the return and probably restocked it for the next victim. I tend to buy books from second hand book shops and eBay now and usually older or well used copies. A good sign of their authenticity.

Yeah, Amazon has been garbage for a while with old books, especially classics. It seems like everything is just keyed off title/author so it takes a ton of effort to make sure you are getting the edition/translation you want. It's 100x worse with Kindle where it looks like some random cheap scan into-kindle format has 2k five star reviews. And of course user reviews where they seem to mix all the reviews together for various editions.

Re: Pre-2022 Books

#86
post #36

You are not alone. I like to read Harry Potter fan fiction [1] and I have started checking the publication date when Im searching for something new to read. I started doing this passively and realized it after the fact. Have you ever met someone who could say all and do the right things but never made you feel anything, or your gut was sensing an ulterior motive? It's a magic trick we are all bewitched by at some poi…

Thank you for the recommendation! I opened it out of curiosity and I'm already a chapter deep :)

Re: Pre-2022 Books

#87
> But I can’t help but feel that the effort meant something.

Each person that put in the effort is one additional review point.

Thinking, Writing, Editing, Proofing, Publishing, Distributing, Selling...

At every step, a human had the opportunity to say "no, this is bad". And the fact that they didn't is a vote of quality and reputation.

These days presumably every step can be automated without a human in the loop at all, and it's up to the buyer to discover "no, this is bad", but at that point their money is already spent.

Re: Pre-2022 Books

#88
I was browsing Amazon and I found one “author” with over 100 published in the last 12 months. And they weren’t cheap either. Most were $50 or more for the paperback version.

It really put a sour taste in my mouth. At that volume (2 books per week) you’d think Amazon could identify and label that it’s AI generated.

Re: Pre-2022 Books

#89
There are still plenty of us writing the book start to finish with all our own words and plots, it is very tempting to use AI to get the cover art correct, but going to a cover artist will these days likely get you the same "AI assisted" creation.

I do have one freely downloadble Sci-Fi book from 2022 which took 10 years in total to write so it might safely pass all your standards, but if a fixed cut off date is your criteria for a good book then there really is no hope for writers like me continuing.

Re: Pre-2022 Books

#90
post #71

I hate slop as much as anyone else and was, until recently, absolute in my zero tolerance of any LLM use in personal posts and correspondence. Now I've adopted a slightly more nuanced view because I sometimes use an LLM when writing but only in a couple very limited, narrowly focused ways. The first is trying to remember a specific turn of phrase I can't recall at the moment (when you get past 50 this happens a bit m…

I like my writing too. But I’ve found that the kind of writing I’m most skilled at is memoir-style writing. I don’t actually like my writing when it comes to business proposals for example, so I let LLM rewrite these. Such writing doesn’t really “belong” to me anyways; they belong to my employer. And I don’t feel a sense of accomplishment or craft when writing them.

I don't have a strong opinion on formal business writing with LLMs because, in my experience, a shocking number of corporate managers are pretty terrible at expressing ideas or conveying information in writing. Frankly, for functional business report writing, in many cases I might find an LLM's rewrite to be more useful than the human written original.

In my experience, most formal business writing fell into two types: 1. Pro forma box-checking that probably didn't need to be written at all (or at least read by me, as a senior leader), and 2. Actually important information or ideas. The majority was Type 1, which I tried to avoid, and if it was Type 2, it was either well-organized and intelligible, or such a mess I'd have my admin schedule a meeting so the author could explain it and answer questions.

But I recently retired so I no longer have to suffer through formal business writing anymore :-)

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