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Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Post by andrewinardeer »

powerbroker wrote: post #4

Something is terribly broken in the software release process that constantly allows a worse user experience (including autonomous) as Tesla 'matures' its operations. I'm driving a Tesla, that recently added a 'warning' over a center-display showing the three rear-pointing cameras. 1. The cameras only show while operating in reverse; 2. The warning entirely obscures 30-50% of the view in one or more cameras; 3. The wa…

Cameras get dirty and it is unreasonable to think that they wouldn't. This would force my hand to clean the cameras. Why is this a bad thing?

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

plandis wrote: post #12

The title is misleading and shifts blame from the driver to the machine. Ultimately the driver is responsible. Edit: For the folks who seem to think that this is marketed as unsupervised self driving, from Teslas own website it states “Currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous.” https://www.tesla.com/fsd

Being responsible and being at fault are two different things.

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

theturtletalks wrote: post #5

I wonder if they will implement dead zones for self-driving. I was using a Lime scooter in a new city and when I entered a university campus, the scooter slowed to a crawl. I don’t understand why a person would need FSD in a suburb street.

> don’t understand why a person would need FSD in a suburb street

My parents have a Tesla. It’s convenient. I engage my Subaru’s lane-keeping in suburbs, too, to reduce driver fatigue.

The Subaru behaves predictably. The Tesla is mostly more capable, but does something dumbfucked and dangerous every few dozen trips.

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Post by Reason077 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #23
wnmurphy wrote: post #18

The telemetry will tell the story, not the clickbait news headline based on preliminary information. I seriously doubt FSD would drive into a house.

> telemetry will tell the story Idk, the death-toll gap between Tesla and Waymo seems to tell a story enough.

There are very few (if any?) known deaths caused by FSD accidents.

Note: it’s important to distinguish between Autopilot and FSD here. “Autopilot” is Tesla’s old assisted driving stack that comes free in most vehicles and has had no significant updates in years. “FSD” is an entirely different software stack that only works with newer vehicles and that Tesla charges $$ for. It’s much more advanced and IMO a lot safer.

This article never mentions FSD, only Autopilot.

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Post by paulryanrogers »

aetherspawn wrote: post #30

Ok, 3 things. 1) I’ve put enough kms on FSD - it’s taken me across Australia a few times, probably 10,000kms in total - to know that it isn’t going to drive into a house. 2) Even if FSD is enabled, there’s loads of things you can do to create an accident like press the brakes or accelerator pedals, which doesn’t necessarily disengage FSD right away, so let’s just wait for the telemetry to get released. 3) Regardless…

> 1) I’ve put enough kms on FSD to know that it isn’t going to drive into a house.

Is it possible FSD on this vehicle was a different version? Can't FSD change from one drive to the next, based on software updates or even external conditions?

Perhaps you drove in a different region with differing conditions?

> 3) Regardless of who was controlling it, why did this guy let his car jump the kerb and go through a house? Why was he going fast enough?

Why is it called "Full Self Driving" if the person behind the wheel must control (or even just monitor) the speed?

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Post by ares623 »

jcgrillo wrote: post #29
uoaei wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of the optimism surrounding this industry hinges on "ifs" that never materialize.

It's shocking. I can't understand why people repeatedly fall for it.

My nightmare has become reality. Software engineers now rule the world.

Life and death policies being made by people who last week you were arguing about whether using Kubernetes is worth it for a throwaway project, or whether tabs or spaces are more appropriate.

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Post by xnx »

Without knowing the "full" details of this crash, it is outrageous that Tesla calls it "Full Self-Driving (Supervised)" on their website. This is like naming a product "Healthy Dog Food (Rat poison)". If it requires supervision, it is not "full". Period.

I thought previous lawsuits would've forced Tesla to call it "Advanced Driver Assist" or something.

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Post by aetherspawn »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #35
aetherspawn wrote: post #30

Ok, 3 things. 1) I’ve put enough kms on FSD - it’s taken me across Australia a few times, probably 10,000kms in total - to know that it isn’t going to drive into a house. 2) Even if FSD is enabled, there’s loads of things you can do to create an accident like press the brakes or accelerator pedals, which doesn’t necessarily disengage FSD right away, so let’s just wait for the telemetry to get released. 3) Regardless…

> 1) I’ve put enough kms on FSD to know that it isn’t going to drive into a house. Is it possible FSD on this vehicle was a different version? Can't FSD change from one drive to the next, based on software updates or even external conditions? Perhaps you drove in a different region with differing conditions? > 3) Regardless of who was controlling it, why did this guy let his car jump the kerb and go through a house?…

That’s exactly the thing. We’re on FSD 13 and America is on FSD 14, we’re always about a year behind. Yours is significantly better than ours (being RHD market), but ours still wouldn’t drive through a house.

Re: Tesla allegedly in autopilot mode crashes into Texas house, woman killed

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Post by 0cf8612b2e1e »

aetherspawn wrote: post #30

Ok, 3 things. 1) I’ve put enough kms on FSD - it’s taken me across Australia a few times, probably 10,000kms in total - to know that it isn’t going to drive into a house. 2) Even if FSD is enabled, there’s loads of things you can do to create an accident like press the brakes or accelerator pedals, which doesn’t necessarily disengage FSD right away, so let’s just wait for the telemetry to get released. 3) Regardless…

“Wait for the telemetry”. Like that case where it took years and reverse engineering to pull the footage that Tesla claimed did not exist?

Surely, we can trust Tesla will be providing all relevant information to the authorities without delay.

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