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Post by petermcneeley »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #268
petermcneeley wrote: post #264

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You think there wernt cars when I was a kid? I lived in the subs. Kid utopia! Can you imagine bringing up cars in this thread?

> You think there wernt cars when I was a kid? I lived in the subs. Kid utopia! I believe you. I'm likely older than you, so there were even fewer cars when I was a kid. I'm confident my utopia was even better than yours. Between then and now we have a gradient of loss. My kids grew up under 24/7 adulting and had nowhere to go.

"My kids grew up under 24/7 adulting and had nowhere to go."

Yes but this has nothing to do with cars. What are you even protecting kids from anyway?

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Post by nekusar »

soupbowl wrote: post #280
nekusar wrote: post #145

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> E.g., you say "Privacy is a human right", so why is it that half the websites I visit ask for permission to share details of how I use those sites with more corporate "trusted partners" than there were students and staff combined in my secondary school? Because capitalism itself is the enemy. And information assymmetry is a potent tool, as is constant and persistent surveillance. All of these enable extracting more…

Yeah, you don't have these issues in communist countries. . .

You can complain (read: peaceful protest for redress of grievances) without going whole hog the complete opposite way.

Most of this end-stage crapitalism was warned by Adam Smith, and then by Marx.

And what did economists do? Fucking ignore it. Or named it trickle down.

So, yeah. When the capitalists control the government, you get all the abuses written about it for the last 300 years. And it fucking shows.

Computation and copyright was just dropping helicopter loads of gasoline on the already terrible fire.

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Post by petermcneeley »

Symbiote wrote: post #114
crims0n wrote: post #101

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It is really disheartening to see the sentiment around privacy erode like this. Fifteen or even ten years ago this would have been unanimously and vehemently opposed, but now it is somehow up for debate?

There has been 15 more years of highly motivated psychologists tuning their social media systems to create addiction, time for those who've grown up through this to become adults, foreign interference with democracy etc. Though I think banning it for children is the wrong approach. Ban the addictive and dangerous features for everyone, adults included — no more infinite scroll, and no more feeds showing content from…

What are you afraid of?

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Post by LadyCailin »

umvi wrote: post #201
Symbiote wrote: post #114

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There has been 15 more years of highly motivated psychologists tuning their social media systems to create addiction, time for those who've grown up through this to become adults, foreign interference with democracy etc. Though I think banning it for children is the wrong approach. Ban the addictive and dangerous features for everyone, adults included — no more infinite scroll, and no more feeds showing content from…

Ban infinite scroll? Sounds like a slippery slope and also hard to enforce. I don't even know how you would craft such a law.

The same way you do age assurance laws, I guess.

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Post by anaisbetts »

The vast majority of children cannot and do not buy and pay for VPNs and use them to evade anything. The second that governments said "We intend to ban VPNs" they gave away the game as to what their actual intent was, and it wasn't "for the children"

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Post by dghlsakjg »

KaiserPro wrote: post #60
dghlsakjg wrote: post #23

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The end result will be the same. If you face a 10k liability for serving the wrong customer, you end up needing to ID your customers. If the government isn't going to provide that service you end up with private companies verifying identity and the data security issues that entails. If you want to shift the responsibility of protecting children away from parents, then you end up in a situation where third parties nee…

> you end up needing to ID your customers. You've needed to do that for at least ten years. Mobile internet either requires a contract, or an ID check before you get a sim (pay and go) Anyone providing internets is liable for what the users are doing. The way you got out of that is responding to legal requests. (originally mostly copyright) This is the frustrating thing, we have effective and relatively uncontroversi…

I went to the uk with a foreign SIM. Didn’t have to show my id. I logged onto public WiFi networks without showing my id.

Plenty of ways to get it done.

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Post by alexjameson »

dryarzeg wrote: post #126
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #122

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You see, the problem is that all exit points of our VPNs are in Europe. These too can be banned quite easily. Where to will we run next, given that this cancer tends to spread?

Change the protocols, I guess? Move to some kind of self-hosted or community-run infrastructure? Because to block all of that (EDIT: to block that reliably, I mean), you will have to block the entire EU network sector, and we're likely not in "V for Vendetta" or full-blown 1984 scenario for this to be possible.

Let me tell you how it has been in Russia during last 15 years. WE saw targeted blocks that apply after cease and desist letters. Later they learned to block outgoing OpenVPN and wireguard for everybody except firms who applied to a special registry. Then they learned to cut Vless and Trojan and blocked all sites behind freaking Cloudflare due to ECH v3.0 enforced. Here also go proxies (specifically for Telegram'm MTProto) and other stuff like Quic.

The point is if they start — they can proceed way further than you can imagine now.

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Post by subscribed »

liveoneggs wrote: post #166
subscribed wrote: post #33

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Oh, they're in motion already. There are other countries that tried to ban VPNs for decades now, that sparked multiple great avenues of development. It's exciting to think I'll become a dissident like my parents, just because I don't want a slimy, rightwing, greasy friends of Epstein and other known abusers to ID and surveil me.

but isn't it the labour party pushing this?

Labour-in-the-name-only is a far right at the moment (left to Tories and Farage on social issues, right of Tories and almost at Farage on domestic and international affairs).

Once Starmer hijacked the party based on the scammy set of pledges[1], he promptly started removing of anyone remotely "leftist", then started competing with Tories in cruelty and with Reform at hostility.

Yeah, that labour party.

[1] https://www.clpd.org.uk/resource/keir-starmer-10-pledges/

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Post by joe_mamba »

halJordan wrote: post #259
joe_mamba wrote: post #31

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Isn't it how it alwasy works?

The tobacco industry has decades worth of research saying smoking was beneficial. The antis just kept funding more studies.

So the government can't do the exact thing?

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Post by adammarples »

ben_w wrote: post #78
Retr0id wrote: post #52

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What is there to research? Yes, VPNs can be used to circumvent geofences (and by extension, regional age restrictions). Yes, attempting to age-restrict VPNs is at odds with strong privacy guarantees. Privacy is a human right, and one which is essential for effective democracy.

> What is there to research? The trade-offs and how many people care and about what specifically. E.g., you say "Privacy is a human right", so why is it that half the websites I visit ask for permission to share details of how I use those sites with more corporate "trusted partners" than there were students and staff combined in my secondary school? I'm all on board with just banning this kind of analytics, but there…

Because they ask for permission, get it?
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