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The Wholesale Plagiarism of Obscure Sorrows

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Re: The Wholesale Plagiarism of Obscure Sorrows

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Post by carlosjobim »

mcoliver wrote: post #54

A similar thing is happening to me. I worked on something for 3 years which I give away for free to help people and a thief took my software, ran it through ai to rebrand everything and relaunched as their own app. Unfortunately the ai missed a few Easter eggs I had hidden so the theft is undeniable. Google and Apple are useless for dmca unless you have a court order. They refuse to look at or arbitrate. So now I'm o…

You can't steal something which is free. This is what you should expect if you give away stuff for free to anybody who happens on it. To me it seems that FOSS people take perverse pleasure in these kind of things.

It's easy to prepare for what is ahead: Get yourself out of the filthy FOSS swamp and start charging a fair price for your work from real customers. That is something everybody benefits from and it is also dignified for everybody involved.

Re: The Wholesale Plagiarism of Obscure Sorrows

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Post by eboy »

mcoliver wrote: post #54

A similar thing is happening to me. I worked on something for 3 years which I give away for free to help people and a thief took my software, ran it through ai to rebrand everything and relaunched as their own app. Unfortunately the ai missed a few Easter eggs I had hidden so the theft is undeniable. Google and Apple are useless for dmca unless you have a court order. They refuse to look at or arbitrate. So now I'm o…

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Re: The Wholesale Plagiarism of Obscure Sorrows

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Post by dylan604 »

lokar wrote: post #49
habagav wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So they’re basically parasites.

But they are stealing from Amazon, so a public service?

How are they stealing from Amazon? They delivered a sale to Amazon, which Amazon has a program to reward the effort of delivering that sale. In no way should this be misconstrued as my supporting of the action, but I'm also not delusional making baseless accusations.

Re: The Wholesale Plagiarism of Obscure Sorrows

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Post by downrightmike »

stalfie wrote: post #11
lambdaone wrote: post #4

This is exactly what DMCA takedowns are actually for.

Ironically, the article points out that the original authors publisher actually put out two DMCA notices to google last year, apparently with no effect. I guess DMCA takedowns are only for the big fish fighting the good fight against car pirates.

DMCA is no longer valid as the courts ruled that stealing literally everything on the internet was OK and a valid business practice.

Re: The Wholesale Plagiarism of Obscure Sorrows

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Post by georgeburdell »

rolph wrote: post #21
stalfie wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironically, the article points out that the original authors publisher actually put out two DMCA notices to google last year, apparently with no effect. I guess DMCA takedowns are only for the big fish fighting the good fight against car pirates.

then DMCA the entirety of google and alphabet, and tender class action for direct and contributory violation, with the option to back it off to the literary work in question when goog takes a seat at the table and takes it seriously

That costs money

Re: The Wholesale Plagiarism of Obscure Sorrows

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Post by Rekindle8090 »

carlosjobim wrote: post #81
mcoliver wrote: post #54

A similar thing is happening to me. I worked on something for 3 years which I give away for free to help people and a thief took my software, ran it through ai to rebrand everything and relaunched as their own app. Unfortunately the ai missed a few Easter eggs I had hidden so the theft is undeniable. Google and Apple are useless for dmca unless you have a court order. They refuse to look at or arbitrate. So now I'm o…

You can't steal something which is free. This is what you should expect if you give away stuff for free to anybody who happens on it. To me it seems that FOSS people take perverse pleasure in these kind of things. It's easy to prepare for what is ahead: Get yourself out of the filthy FOSS swamp and start charging a fair price for your work from real customers. That is something everybody benefits from and it is also…

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Re: The Wholesale Plagiarism of Obscure Sorrows

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Post by [deleted] »

alberto-m wrote: post #60
gspr wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. But I don't understand why the focus is always on FOSS. Why don't proprietary IP owners fear this too? Won't music, movies and non-FOSS software also have their copyright laundered if this crap continues?

I think because a proprietary IP owner can allocate some budget to sue the infringers. A community of OSS contributors may lack the money, the will or the know-how to do that. They will also face a much harder task when explaining their case to a judge. The contributors to the open-source chess engine Stockfish needed a lot of time and energy to convince a German court that it was illegal for the commercial engine Ho…

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Re: The Wholesale Plagiarism of Obscure Sorrows

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Post by Rekindle8090 »

pixel_popping wrote: post #20
echelon wrote: post #5

AI laundering is going to become a major tactic in all domains. Fiction and nonfiction writing, software, video, music, you name it. It's easy to take GPL software and rewrite it in another language without the license. Trivially easy. It's possible you'll even be able to do the same with just compiled bytecode soon. Just recently there was an instance where Nous Research Hermes agent cloned some Chinese OSS. It's ha…

Literally this is our future, many devs still don't seem to believe we will be able to "zeroshot" everything, but it's because they haven't experienced themselves proper tooling (at the minimum leveraging 4 models in debate, adversarial and loops and workflows and so-on and unli-loop until completion, MITM everything...) , with the exception of advanced fields, most softwares are pretty basic, let's say redoing X11 i…

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Re: The Wholesale Plagiarism of Obscure Sorrows

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

flexagoon wrote: post #37
shevy-java wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DMCA to take down AI slop? I feel that is twice the mistake. DMCA should not exist in the first place. Neither should AI slop. Here we have AI stealing from people. AI is a thief.

So you're against copyright protection, but also against AI using copyrighted work? I can understand both of those positions separately, but how can you combine them in the same statement?

I mean one can be for copyright protection but against the DMCA as a bad way to implement copyright protection.

Re: The Wholesale Plagiarism of Obscure Sorrows

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Post by mcoliver »

lambdaone wrote: post #4

This is exactly what DMCA takedowns are actually for.

Speaking from experience, neither apple nor Google will enforce dmca takedown requests unless they come from the courts. Even when provided clear and direct evidence. Their position is "we do not arbitrate". I sort of get it but also the cost barrier to copyright infringement is headed to zero while the ability to protect your IP and enforce your copyright remains expensive. Wild times ahead.
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