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Reusable interceptor has BOM of 3000$, 15000$ sales price. Wanted to start this project with an ex-colleague, but he bought old house and is stuck trying to make it livable. Anyone interested in cooperation? I am hardware and math guy.
maybe this is a stupid question but how could you possibly re-use a thing that explodes in use
Lithuanian startup launches open-source network to detect Shahed-type drones
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Re: Lithuanian startup launches open-source network to detect Shahed-type drones
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I don't understand what you're saying. What do you mean by comparison? I don't think that every other country but Ukraine is useless. What makes you say that? What are you saying about nukes?
> What do you mean by comparison? Your comment compares Lithuanian homebrew tech to Ukrainian military-funded tech and claims that the former is grossly inferior to the latter. That comparison is what they're challenging. > What are you saying about nukes? According to your comment, homebrew tech was not going to prevent World War III. This can come across as unconstructive because in general, even small things can m…
Yes, the Lithuanian tech in question is inferior, but that's sort of beside the point. The point is that it's a system unconvincingly reinventing what a significant Lithuanian ally has mastered. Further, the volunteer-based initiative begs the question: where are the state investments, official installations, official initiative in general?
I'm all for open-source hacking, volunteering, etc. But, state defence is a task for the state: defence development is too.
It is embarrassing to watch Baltic airports suspend traffic regularly because of Belorussian baloons or whole of Vilnius shuffling to underground parking structures because a drone-like radar blip appeared a few hundred kilometers away. We need meaningful investment in defence and we need it yesterday. A volunteer initiative to counter these modern airspace threats is so little so late that it's frankly upsetting.
As for deterrence, a volunteer organization for passive listening will not be part of the risk assessment in Kremlin. We need a political class that understands the price of kowtowing, the price of in-fighting, and a defensive capability that is meaningful.
As for concrete solutions, these are democratic governments: vote, discuss, don't be silent. This open-source initiative, as I said initially, is cute: and it might actually make waves where it matters: but my point this is not what we need in of itself.
Further, as I was saying before: cooperation with Ukrainians: trading technology, expertise: establishing long-term industrial relationships.
Re: Lithuanian startup launches open-source network to detect Shahed-type drones
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Reusable interceptor has BOM of 3000$, 15000$ sales price. Wanted to start this project with an ex-colleague, but he bought old house and is stuck trying to make it livable. Anyone interested in cooperation? I am hardware and math guy.
maybe this is a stupid question but how could you possibly re-use a thing that explodes in use
I've also seen videos of drones equipped with shotguns shooting down drones, but those seem to mostly be smaller drones, not long range Shahed drones.
In either case, both are examples of re-usable interceptors, manned and unmanned.
Re: Lithuanian startup launches open-source network to detect Shahed-type drones
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Multi billion dollar spend to “see” $2,000 aircraft and try to shoot it down with multi million dollar equipment. The speed to produce and cost effectiveness of these drones are seemingly at a massive advantage right now vs Defense capabilities and straight up cost and looks to be that way for a good while.
You are correct, that today, we (USA) lack the capability to defend against this threat in a meaningful way.
> Multi billion dollar spend to “see” $2,000 aircraft
Look at how we deploy SOCOM assets today: smaller teams in the field far from fixed detection, a satellite to do this job, allows it to be tasked rather than having to deploy more, fixed detection equipment.
As part of a larger system it would be integrated by software: see the "Lattice" project from Anduril.
> and try to shoot it down with multi million dollar equipment.
DAWG, (Defense Autonomous Warfare Group ) has requested a billion dollar base budget and 54 billion of flexible spending (More than the USMC per year) for 2027.
There is also the "Replicator" program (I think headed for phase two) to get unit costs back down, and volume up. Facets of this are bleeding into other spend. Andurill openly talks about unit costs, and how few tools are needed to put together their low cost missiles (still more expensive than drones but... headed in the right direction).
As for the astronomical size of that budget: it's cheap to build an idea, what is hard is testing. The Ukrainians have a massive advantage here, in that they ship these things to the front line. It's much cheaper to trial things when you don't have to buy something to blow up, repeatedly.
The US military has been falling behind for 25 years now (especially the navy: if you want to understand why it has become schrodinger's straight read this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002 ) and I think what is going on in Ukraine has been eye opening for them.
Re: Lithuanian startup launches open-source network to detect Shahed-type drones
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
And interceptors are more expensive than Shaheds. A $100k interceptor (guessing here) to shoot a $10k Shahed can be an acceptable deal for the side launching the Shaheds.
A $100k interceptor to save a $10 million critical facility against a $10k Shahed is a bargain. You saved $9.9 million dollars. Interceptor economics makes more sense when you reason about the bigger picture. The point is to buy you time to remove the supply chain and the stocks so that you're not trading 1:1 forever. It's a stop-gap, or at least it's supposed to be. However that only works in a war where you have ai…
Re: Lithuanian startup launches open-source network to detect Shahed-type drones
#76Shahed drones have increased in altitude from ~500m at the beginning of the Ukraine war to 2000-3000m, which is a 4x reduction in noise on the ground. The higher the drones are, the less noise they make at ground level, and the less effective this ground-based microphone system will be. The drones have moved to elevations to make them more difficult to target with ground based weapons. Reductions in ground noise are…
Edit: as others say, plain radar will suffice.
Re: Lithuanian startup launches open-source network to detect Shahed-type drones
#77For those interested there is an open source radar based phased array project here: https://github.com/NawfalMotii79/PLFM_RADAR I may have even discovered it from hacker news, I forget now.
The files [1], [2], [3] on Github (once featured on README and on some articles) depict what I presume is a Chinese built radar which you can see here [4], [5]. I also suspect this might be a honeypot since Instagram - of all places - is full of accounts offering these radars [6], [7]. Some of the contributors on that projects are heavily leaning into AI. Git project history is suspicious. Discussions on the issues seem very artificial. I remember having bunch of notes on this project, but can't find it now. Just looking at it from outside, nothing about it seems real.
[1] https://github.com/NawfalMotii79/PLFM_RADAR/blob/main/docs/a...
[2] https://github.com/NawfalMotii79/PLFM_RADAR/blob/main/docs/a...
[3] https://github.com/NawfalMotii79/PLFM_RADAR/blob/main/docs/a...
[4] https://www.cloudwalkerfpv.com/product/CW-t20.html
[5] https://www.militarysignaljammer.com/supplier-4701497-survei...
Re: Lithuanian startup launches open-source network to detect Shahed-type drones
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
A $100k interceptor to save a $10 million critical facility against a $10k Shahed is a bargain. You saved $9.9 million dollars. Interceptor economics makes more sense when you reason about the bigger picture. The point is to buy you time to remove the supply chain and the stocks so that you're not trading 1:1 forever. It's a stop-gap, or at least it's supposed to be. However that only works in a war where you have ai…
With interceptors that cost the defender $100k/unit and shaheds that cost the attacker $10k/unit, over time the attacker can bankrupt the defender if the target is something the defender cannot afford to lose. Sometimes it takes several interceptors to eliminate the threat. Therefore part of the focus in the design of interceptors is to keep their unit cost low. The unit cost of the first versions of shaheds may have…
Re: Lithuanian startup launches open-source network to detect Shahed-type drones
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
And interceptors are more expensive than Shaheds. A $100k interceptor (guessing here) to shoot a $10k Shahed can be an acceptable deal for the side launching the Shaheds.
A $100k interceptor to save a $10 million critical facility against a $10k Shahed is a bargain. You saved $9.9 million dollars. Interceptor economics makes more sense when you reason about the bigger picture. The point is to buy you time to remove the supply chain and the stocks so that you're not trading 1:1 forever. It's a stop-gap, or at least it's supposed to be. However that only works in a war where you have ai…
Your enemy probably isn't sending one drone.
Re: Lithuanian startup launches open-source network to detect Shahed-type drones
#80Shahed drones have increased in altitude from ~500m at the beginning of the Ukraine war to 2000-3000m, which is a 4x reduction in noise on the ground. The higher the drones are, the less noise they make at ground level, and the less effective this ground-based microphone system will be. The drones have moved to elevations to make them more difficult to target with ground based weapons. Reductions in ground noise are…
Radiative power drops by the square of the distance? Does anyone with a real physics background start demanding authority on a soapbox like this?