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Re: Google workspace threatening to block Firefox access

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Post by zdragnar »

PunchyHamster wrote: post #107
ArnoVW wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While this is true, allow me to give another POV. I run corporate security and internal IT for a 100 person SaaS. I "nudge" our users towards Chrome. Why? Because I can manage Chrome using the config infrastructure provided by Google. Because Google has more resources to secure their browser. Because my observability and DLP stuff works with Chrome and not with Firefox. And I'm probably still missing out on a bunch o…

having soon-to-be-nonfunctional adblocking will be far more dangerous to org than any extra security those options might provide

Ubo lite is plenty functional. It's not as full-featured as ubo, but... I don't see ads. At all. What sites doesn't it work well on?

Re: Google workspace threatening to block Firefox access

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Post by vel0city »

vel0city wrote: post #91
redwall_hp wrote: post #50

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The Sherman Act says that any action by an individual, or conspiracy of a group of individuals, to "restrain trade" or seek a monopoly is illegal. Monopolies aren't a prerequisite for antitrust action, they're the failure state when you should have acted sooner.

Taco Bell is a monopoly because they restrain the trade of tacos because they ask me to take my taco truck elsewhere when I park in their parking lot to sell tacos. Never mind there are other places I can set up my truck, never mind there are tons of other taco shops, Taco Bell is a monopoly as now I need to go find a different corner to sell my tacos, they're restraining the trade of tacos. Everything is a monopoly…

Get this, they won't even let me sell my tacos through the Taco Bell app. What a monopoly! We need to get the FTC to enforce Taco Bell's and Taco Bueno's mobile apps to make their apps support every taco truck's ordering system. They're restraining the marketplace of selling tacos through their apps to only their own stores!

Every feature of their apps needs to be easily integrated into whatever random POS every single food truck uses! I should be able to buy tacos from any taco vendor through the Taco Bell app. They're a monopoly!

Re: Google workspace threatening to block Firefox access

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Post by abyssin »

ktm5j wrote: post #43
dijit wrote: post #18

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it shouldn’t be an option. Some IT departments just see a “more secure” checkbox and will always check it, even if it doesn’t make sense holistically- sometimes compliance incentivises (or forces) this behaviour. A common example is forcing intune/device enrolment for mobile devices (including ipads)- but not for the infinitely less secure laptops: because no such endpoint enforcement checkbox exists

It's their organization. They are allowed to make decisions about what software their employees use. I'm a die-hard Mozilla fan, but I don't find this unreasonable.

It’s a good reminder of the fact that capitalist companies aren’t democratic places, despite how much time and energy is spent there by workers.

Re: Google workspace threatening to block Firefox access

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Post by pjmlp »

chmod775 wrote: post #16
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #12

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And yet, claiming support for a feature doesn't tell all. Different implementations can have subtle differences. Knowing the browser and version can allow a client to survive that.

Yes, that is the price developers will have to pay. Development will be harder, but users are going to prefer somewhat broken sites over being outright refused entry. At the end of the day user-preference is what dictates which browser is used and how it is configured. Developers will have to deal with what users choose to do on their end. You can only patronize people for so long before they look for a way around si…

We used to deal with what browsers users chose on their end, then came IE market dominance.

After the lawsuit against Microsoft, and the raise of Firefox, Safari and Chrome we had it all good again.

Then devs had to get comfy with Google offerings, including shipping Chrome packaged with their pseudo native applications.

Re: Google workspace threatening to block Firefox access

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Post by neop1x »

ThatMedicIsASpy wrote: post #130
chmod775 wrote: post #8

It appears website developers desperately want to return to a world where browsers actively pretend to be another browser*. Want to check for DBSC? Enjoy not knowing whether the browser vendor decided to just roll a simple software implementation. Nothing good comes from browser detection over feature detection anyways. It's time to do away with user-agents and other overt identifying markers, and if we're still not…

Cloudflare blocked me with a chrome windows useragent on Firefox+Fedora

Happens to me too. They are probably able to infer it is not a Chrome from the TLS handshake or they run their javascript fingerprinting and found out that the browser didn't have some Chrome features or behaved differently.

Sadly, it is much more difficult to pretend being on a different browser than it was in the past. :/

Re: Google workspace threatening to block Firefox access

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Post by amiga386 »

ArnoVW wrote: post #92
dijit wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it shouldn’t be an option. Some IT departments just see a “more secure” checkbox and will always check it, even if it doesn’t make sense holistically- sometimes compliance incentivises (or forces) this behaviour. A common example is forcing intune/device enrolment for mobile devices (including ipads)- but not for the infinitely less secure laptops: because no such endpoint enforcement checkbox exists

While this is true, allow me to give another POV. I run corporate security and internal IT for a 100 person SaaS. I "nudge" our users towards Chrome. Why? Because I can manage Chrome using the config infrastructure provided by Google. Because Google has more resources to secure their browser. Because my observability and DLP stuff works with Chrome and not with Firefox. And I'm probably still missing out on a bunch o…

> I can manage Chrome using the config infrastructure provided by Google

https://mozilla.github.io/policy-templates/

Re: Google workspace threatening to block Firefox access

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

bgc wrote: post #11

This is not a Google-wide thing… this is from Google’s Context-Aware Access product, which is configurable in Google Workspace environments. OP should direct their ire at their corporate IT or infosec team.

But they explicitly negate this:

> We haven’t configured, and don’t use IAP (Identity Aware Proxy) - I’ve used this before and yes that is Chrome only due to how it does device verification

> This isn’t because of “Context Aware Access” this is an enterprise only feature, and we’re on Google Workspace Business Plus

Re: Google workspace threatening to block Firefox access

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Post by LtWorf »

verall wrote: post #103
ArnoVW wrote: post #92

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While this is true, allow me to give another POV. I run corporate security and internal IT for a 100 person SaaS. I "nudge" our users towards Chrome. Why? Because I can manage Chrome using the config infrastructure provided by Google. Because Google has more resources to secure their browser. Because my observability and DLP stuff works with Chrome and not with Firefox. And I'm probably still missing out on a bunch o…

Do people get pwned by anything besides spearphishing or ads nowadays? I think ad->phish or targeted phish emails is the only shady thing I've been exposed to in like 10 years

Running npm install is a good way to get compromised.

Re: Google workspace threatening to block Firefox access

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Post by alt227 »

NewJazz wrote: post #127
ArnoVW wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While this is true, allow me to give another POV. I run corporate security and internal IT for a 100 person SaaS. I "nudge" our users towards Chrome. Why? Because I can manage Chrome using the config infrastructure provided by Google. Because Google has more resources to secure their browser. Because my observability and DLP stuff works with Chrome and not with Firefox. And I'm probably still missing out on a bunch o…

It's a pain that when you cannot do what you want to do. But it's not your laptop. It's the company's. But it is my craft, and to be limited to what tools I can use in my craft can decrease the value of my work, and in doing so decrease the company's productivity.

> But it is my craft

Then go work for yourself.

If you want the security of a regular salary, you need to jump through the hoops of your employer and not expect to be able to do 'your craft' however you see fit.

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