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Re: Companies rein in AI usage as costs strain budgets

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Post by ares623 »

simonw wrote: post #22
josefritzishere wrote: post #2

Companies are learning that even with mass layoffs, AI isn't worth what it costs for most use cases. This is an important inflection point because none of the AI companies are profitable, i.e. they're all still charging substantially less than what it costs to actually deliver the service. With things in that intermediate state, it's hard to know what a future stable state will be like.

If AI isn't worth what it costs why are some of these companies allowing $1,000+/employee/month?

AI is Labubu for CEOs.

The value is somewhere else (i.e. being able to brag at the next conference/dinner/awards show and to not feel like a loser)

Once that value is no longer there, I will stock up on popcorn. Sure Labubus are still around and still have "users", but...

Re: Companies rein in AI usage as costs strain budgets

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Post by noman-land »

nixpulvis wrote: post #43
Ethee wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nuance has been completely lost on our society. If it doesn't spark immediate outrage or joy it has no place in our attention economy. I really wish this wasn't the case and I'm not sure how we can reverse it. Most people just aren't interested in the 'balanced takes' because it's just not exciting enough it seems sadly.

I recently learned the term "thought-terminating cliché" and it's so incredibly prevalent in society these days. Always has been I'm sure, but short form text based anonymous communication must be making it worse.

It is what it is.

Re: Companies rein in AI usage as costs strain budgets

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Post by watwut »

nixpulvis wrote: post #37

I'm so frustrated by both the zealous AI bulls and the blind AI opposition. There's a lot of issues, ranging over technical, cultural, environmental, and moral problems. But there's also obvious value. To say otherwise tells me you haven't actually tried to make use of these tools. It's one thing to get an AI google response and feel like it's dubious, it's another thing to know what you want and have an LLM find the…

> Am I able to write things faster with LLMs, yes.

LLM is great at identifying useless writing - if you have llm writing it, it should not exist.

Re: Companies rein in AI usage as costs strain budgets

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Post by arcanemachiner »

noman-land wrote: post #52
nixpulvis wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently learned the term "thought-terminating cliché" and it's so incredibly prevalent in society these days. Always has been I'm sure, but short form text based anonymous communication must be making it worse.

It is what it is.

And that's just the way things are.

Re: Companies rein in AI usage as costs strain budgets

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Post by mpalmer »

nixpulvis wrote: post #43
Ethee wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nuance has been completely lost on our society. If it doesn't spark immediate outrage or joy it has no place in our attention economy. I really wish this wasn't the case and I'm not sure how we can reverse it. Most people just aren't interested in the 'balanced takes' because it's just not exciting enough it seems sadly.

I recently learned the term "thought-terminating cliché" and it's so incredibly prevalent in society these days. Always has been I'm sure, but short form text based anonymous communication must be making it worse.

It's a useful term but humorously risks becoming auto-exemplary.

Re: Companies rein in AI usage as costs strain budgets

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Post by asadotzler »

nixpulvis wrote: post #37

I'm so frustrated by both the zealous AI bulls and the blind AI opposition. There's a lot of issues, ranging over technical, cultural, environmental, and moral problems. But there's also obvious value. To say otherwise tells me you haven't actually tried to make use of these tools. It's one thing to get an AI google response and feel like it's dubious, it's another thing to know what you want and have an LLM find the…

>It's one thing to get an AI google response and feel like it's dubious, it's another thing to know what you want and have an LLM find the APIs for a framework you're not familiar with

What I'm hearing is that the 0.00001% use case is great while the 99.9999% use case is shit--and we're supposed to think that's reasonable.

Feeding nonsense to pretty much the entire population is just fine with tech bros because a few programmers have an easier time cranking out some code to more effectively sell ads?

That's not a mixed bag, friend. That's a bag of horse shit with one M&M at the bottom.

Re: Companies rein in AI usage as costs strain budgets

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Post by ares623 »

prymitive wrote: post #29
simonw wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If AI isn't worth what it costs why are some of these companies allowing $1,000+/employee/month?

Partially because they think that once employees put enough context and rules into markdown files they can be fired and replaced by an online subscription.

I used to go above and beyond and take pride in writing decent/good documentation for my team and have gotten a lot of compliments about them.

But I've started to deliberately constrain myself because of what you describe. Sure, I'm not convinced that it actually come to fruition, but just the realization that this is what they're daydreaming about makes me sick so I've forced myself to only do the bare minimum or less now.

Re: Companies rein in AI usage as costs strain budgets

#58

Post by asadotzler »

danielvaughn wrote: post #3

We're in a dangerous valley where AI is _just_ good enough to fool some otherwise very smart people. Similar to the old adage of "a little bit of information is a dangerous thing." Lots of CEOs got duped into thinking that model capabilities were far ahead of where they actually were. I'm actually not sure if we're going to get out of the valley without figuring out a surefire way to reliably evaluate these things.

AI is a bullshit artist's wet dream. It's bluffing turned up to 11, plausible enough to be believable, especially to the gullible and the greedy who are both succumbing to its psychotic effects.

Re: Companies rein in AI usage as costs strain budgets

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Post by [deleted] »

antonvs wrote: post #50
nixpulvis wrote: post #37

I'm so frustrated by both the zealous AI bulls and the blind AI opposition. There's a lot of issues, ranging over technical, cultural, environmental, and moral problems. But there's also obvious value. To say otherwise tells me you haven't actually tried to make use of these tools. It's one thing to get an AI google response and feel like it's dubious, it's another thing to know what you want and have an LLM find the…

> To say otherwise tells me you haven't actually tried to make use of these tools. There's also a lot of ideological opposition, which often tries to claim that the tech is useless etc. > Am I missing out on the work involved in learning things I would be forced to otherwise, also yes. Yes, but many of those things are things you might not really care about learning about. And if you want to learn about them, AI can…

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Re: Companies rein in AI usage as costs strain budgets

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Post by watwut »

le-mark wrote: post #7

Does anyone know the inside story of some of these AI adoptions that have been downsized? The company I’m at has only only recently gotten an enterprise license.

I know about a small company with literal competition about who spends more tokens. They had a prize for winner - not too big materially but a lot of status attached.

The competition remained after switch to token pricing and abruptly stopped at seemingly random moment.

Frankly, I want competition about who finds the most expensive work trip hotel.

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