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The UK's new under-16 social media ban will cause more harm than it prevents

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Re: The UK's new under-16 social media ban will cause more harm than it prevents

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Post by joe_mamba »

Barrin92 wrote: post #24
big85 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have parental controls on devices. The change forced by the UK government is to give control to corporations, instead of the parents. Parents are much better at knowing their own kid's age than corporations are. Teens keep fooling the age verification (pointing the camera at a video game character, using fake ID, even drawing beards on their face with a pen). But they aren't going to fool their own mother, and the…

>We have parental controls on devices That's irrelevant because social media regulation is a collective action problem. No individual parent can restrict their kids access to social media without ostracizing it, it only makes sense if all parents together get their kids off these platforms.

>it only makes sense if all parents together get their kids off these platforms

Yes, and the wishes of all parents together != the wishes of the UK government which has its own agenda at play in which to weaponize this public outrage for their own benefit(mass surveillance and mass censorship).

The UK government doesn't actually want what's best for all the children of all the parents, otherwise it wouldn't have allowed and even enabled the rape gangs and sweep the issue under the rug in a massive coverup.

Re: The UK's new under-16 social media ban will cause more harm than it prevents

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Post by 3997531578 »

4ndrewl wrote: post #22
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great, you do your job as a parent and keep your children away from them while leaving the rest of us free from your envisioned surveillance state.

He says clicking "accept" to tracking cookies and their 762 "partners"

Not surpised supporters of the regime don't know about tracking protection.

It's always the tech illiterates cheering on the surveillance.

Re: The UK's new under-16 social media ban will cause more harm than it prevents

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

cbdumas wrote: post #6

If governments want to set up online age gates, they should be responsible for providing an electronic ID system and enable privacy preserving age verification (zero knowledge proofs)

Implementation detail. Fine companies that allow minors access and they'll find a way to verify age by themselves.

For liquor for example I don't think the govt actually specifies that you shall check ID they specify that you shall not sell to minors.

Re: The UK's new under-16 social media ban will cause more harm than it prevents

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Post by applfanboysbgon »

4ndrewl wrote: post #22
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great, you do your job as a parent and keep your children away from them while leaving the rest of us free from your envisioned surveillance state.

He says clicking "accept" to tracking cookies and their 762 "partners"

Uh, speak for yourself, guy.

Re: The UK's new under-16 social media ban will cause more harm than it prevents

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Post by daveoc64 »

AJRF wrote: post #19

Am I right in thinking that the EFF doesn't launch any legal campaigns inside the UK (but they offer support to those who do) Is there a UK version of the EFF that fights in the courts against this lunacy or does it not quite work the same in the UK as it does in the US.

> Is there a UK version of the EFF that fights in the courts against this lunacy or does it not quite work the same in the UK as it does in the US.

The government looks likely to introduce the ban as regulation through secondary legislation (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9824zvpz9po).

That is open to judicial review.

If primary legislation was instead passed, that's a lot harder to challenge - Parliament makes the law, so whatever Parliament said applies.

Politics is very different in the UK than in the US, especially when the governing party has such a large majority.

The banning of under-16s from social media has widespread support across the parties in Parliament.

Re: The UK's new under-16 social media ban will cause more harm than it prevents

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Post by throwawayffffas »

throwawayffffas wrote: post #27

They are really underestimating the harm of being on these platforms causes. These platforms are the digital equivalent of heroin if heroin always came with either nazi or bolshevik propaganda. They are entirely focused on the axe they rightfully have to grind the whole age verification debacle they are not seeing the bigger picture. The major social media companies are undermining the foundations of our societies fo…

I find the idea that someone would care about their privacy and choose to be on social media really hard to fathom. These things are personal data vacuums that infer everything there is to know about you, if you don't just give it to them.

Re: The UK's new under-16 social media ban will cause more harm than it prevents

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Post by dylan604 »

proxyscore wrote: post #34

There's no defending social media, not for adults, not for kids, ever. It's a toxic trap which will do absolutely nothing good for and to its users. Keep the kids away from it, doesn't take an Einstein reincarnate to realize that.

This is the slipperiest of slopes. I'm all for restricting social consumption, but absolutely against the current suggestions for age restrictions methods. The end goal is noble, the means of achieving it are sinister

Re: The UK's new under-16 social media ban will cause more harm than it prevents

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Post by ilovecake1984 »

proxyscore wrote: post #34

There's no defending social media, not for adults, not for kids, ever. It's a toxic trap which will do absolutely nothing good for and to its users. Keep the kids away from it, doesn't take an Einstein reincarnate to realize that.

Sure, is HN social media?
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