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Re: John Jumper to join Anthropic

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Post by thewebguyd »

kranke155 wrote: post #7
CuriouslyC wrote: post #6

Something spicy must have happened internally at Google. This rapid fire high level attrition isn't just down to the bureaucratic quagmire.

Is it possible they are just falling behind ? Their newest model wasn’t really SOTA. And honestly fable 5 was the most human like model I’d ever tried. It was an incredible jump. And recently lots of Claude users at r/ClaudeAI are noticing Opus 4.8 has really increased in capability. Not new things but maybe redirected compute. It just feels like one of the best models ever, maybe because the compute that was previou…

> noticing Opus 4.8 has really increased in capability

I've definitely noticed it, at least for doing backend C#/dotnet. Its insanely good, I haven't had to babysit much at all this week.

Re: John Jumper to join Anthropic

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Post by joe_mamba »

xnx wrote: post #15
kranke155 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it possible they are just falling behind ? Their newest model wasn’t really SOTA. And honestly fable 5 was the most human like model I’d ever tried. It was an incredible jump. And recently lots of Claude users at r/ClaudeAI are noticing Opus 4.8 has really increased in capability. Not new things but maybe redirected compute. It just feels like one of the best models ever, maybe because the compute that was previou…

They almost certainly wanted 3.5 Pro out for Google IO a few weeks ago. They're still crunching on it. No ETA given. Would be fascinating to read about the behind the scenes stories (failed training run?) if they ever get told.

> They're still crunching on it. No ETA given.

Thank God. I'd rather companies ship something when engineers say it's actually ready rather than when the suits want something to show on stage to pump their egos and career exposure but turn out to be a massive disappointment covered in fluff.

Although it does feel very embarrassing for Google who invented transformers and has more money than both Anthropic and OpenAI combined, to fall behind them at the LLM race.

Re: John Jumper to join Anthropic

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Post by WarmWash »

joe_mamba wrote: post #25
basch wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

from the looks of it, 3.5 Flash is still better than most models https://artificialanalysis.ai/articles/glm-5-2-is-the-new-le... The idea of "falling behind" when you can leapfrog each other every six months leads me to believe it has to be more than just "falling behind" for one cycle. It's a culture, process, red tape, focus, or mandate problem of some sort. Something not as easily correctable preparing for next la…

>from the looks of it, 3.5 Flash is still better than most models Define "better". I guess it depends on what you're using it for. I use it almost daily as an alternative to google search and it's great for that, but I think it's absolute garbage for coding and reasoning. For questions related to coding, solving Arch Linux and WINE Lutris issues, helping me with MXLinux issues, and wifi issues on an old rooted huawei…

The thing about Gemini is that it never chews on a problem. Claude and GPT will regularly churn on a prompt for 10-15 minutes. I don't think I have ever seen Gemini think for more than a 2 minutes.

Google seems more interested in fast models that can quickly turn responses, which kind of fits with a company that needs to serve AI on a mass scale.

Re: John Jumper to join Anthropic

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Post by tmule »

yuffffley wrote: post #14
artninja1988 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was leading the development of AlphaFold, the AI system that predicts protein structures for which he got the 2024 Nobel Prize in Chemistry.

I remember that. That was when they realized the deep learning was largely unnecessary, and they could just use their massive compute resources to brute force the problem space. Proving that we would greatly benefit from using our compute resources for science rather than showing ads, and then we just kept showing ads.

What brute force? Any citations?

Re: John Jumper to join Anthropic

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Post by rvz »

He will be back at Google after the Anthropic IPO.

Seems like everyone here is easily fooled by the Anthropic hype. After the IPO, Anthropic won't be like the daycare it is today.

Their main competitors are the chinese labs which are racing all their prices down close to $0.

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