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Only 16 Percent of Americans Think AI Will Have a Positive Impact on Society

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Re: Only 16 Percent of Americans Think AI Will Have a Positive Impact on Society

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> Pew writes that 44 percent of U.S. adults now say they use OpenAI’s chatbot, a figure that’s more than doubled since 2023. > The next most popular chatbot is Gemini (24 percent), followed by Copilot (17 percent) and MetaAI (14 percent), with Grok (8 percent), Claude (6 percent) and Character.ai (3 percent) lagging behind. Claude in 6th place, behind Gemini and Copilot and MetaAI and Grok? No wonder the general publ…

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Re: Only 16 Percent of Americans Think AI Will Have a Positive Impact on Society

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Care to elaborate?

The probabilities in quantum mechanics don't mean there is no determinism. The "answer" to determinism is dependent on your interpretation of quantum mechanics. Even then, take the popular many worlds interpretation. Some see it as supporting determinism and some see it as not supporting it. I wish I could find the pbs spacetime video that talks about it much more eloquently than I can. Somewhat tangential but if you…

Any interpretation that asserts a deterministic universe must invent a "hidden" mechanism which causes the apparent non-determinism, and which we cannot measure nor predict.

By Occam's razor, it is more probable that the universe is simply non-deterministic.

Re: Only 16 Percent of Americans Think AI Will Have a Positive Impact on Society

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The probabilities in quantum mechanics don't mean there is no determinism. The "answer" to determinism is dependent on your interpretation of quantum mechanics. Even then, take the popular many worlds interpretation. Some see it as supporting determinism and some see it as not supporting it. I wish I could find the pbs spacetime video that talks about it much more eloquently than I can. Somewhat tangential but if you…

Any interpretation that asserts a deterministic universe must invent a "hidden" mechanism which causes the apparent non-determinism, and which we cannot measure nor predict. By Occam's razor, it is more probable that the universe is simply non-deterministic.

The flaw is the assertion that the probabilities make non-determinism apparent.

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Any interpretation that asserts a deterministic universe must invent a "hidden" mechanism which causes the apparent non-determinism, and which we cannot measure nor predict. By Occam's razor, it is more probable that the universe is simply non-deterministic.

The flaw is the assertion that the probabilities make non-determinism apparent.

By themselves, they don't. But quantum probabilities are unique. They cannot be explained by missing information about local, pre-existing properties. Therefore, to maintain determinism, you are forced to accept extreme alternatives like non-locality (actions here instantly affecting the other side of the universe) or the existence of infinite splitting universes. If we reject those unobservable overheads, non-determinism is the most direct conclusion.

Re: Only 16 Percent of Americans Think AI Will Have a Positive Impact on Society

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The flaw is the assertion that the probabilities make non-determinism apparent.

By themselves, they don't. But quantum probabilities are unique. They cannot be explained by missing information about local, pre-existing properties. Therefore, to maintain determinism, you are forced to accept extreme alternatives like non-locality (actions here instantly affecting the other side of the universe) or the existence of infinite splitting universes. If we reject those unobservable overheads, non-determ…

I'm not a fan of hidden variable theories. Every interpretation asks you to accept something weird. I like the relational interpretation because its weirdness is the least unpalatable to me (no hidden variables, no non-locality, no unobservable "other worlds"). To me the relational interpretation gives an explanation for how certain information can only be predicted with probabilities without requiring some fundamental randomness. The simplified example is that when you measure the spin of an electron the value of the spin only makes sense relative to the thing that measured it. It's essentially just extending to quantum mechanics the idea that the velocity of a thing means nothing without another thing its velocity is relative to.

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> this is a social problem. A society is made up of individuals. OP is right. One does what they can first. > Just like how saying "well don't use social media!" doesn't work Sometimes the answer really is that simple.

Sure, if we just ignore network effects and feedback loops and applications being designed to psychologically make themselves addictive as possible. Social media addiction will definitely just fix itself if we just tell people to, except this hasn't worked has it?

A society changes when enough individuals change. Network effects themselves change when enough individuals change.

This effect is exactly reciprocal--feedback loops as you say--so I'm not sure what is so difficult to understand.

Be the first cause.

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I never said he did, I never said I support him or anything he does. But Trump being a complete idiot doesn't make Kamala not shitty and uninspiring to voters.

> But Trump being a complete idiot doesn't make Kamala not shitty and uninspiring to voters Okay, and? Did anyone even dispute that?

Then I don't know why yall keep responding with talk about Trump if the idea isn't she is a good candidate by proxy of Trump being a bad one. But that isn't how it works. A turd is a turd even if it floats.

Re: Only 16 Percent of Americans Think AI Will Have a Positive Impact on Society

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> But Trump being a complete idiot doesn't make Kamala not shitty and uninspiring to voters Okay, and? Did anyone even dispute that?

Then I don't know why yall keep responding with talk about Trump if the idea isn't she is a good candidate by proxy of Trump being a bad one. But that isn't how it works. A turd is a turd even if it floats.

People were already talking about Trump because he's the President. I didn't bring up Kamala, you did.

> A turd is a turd even if it floats

Okay? Again, you brought up Kamala

Re: Only 16 Percent of Americans Think AI Will Have a Positive Impact on Society

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After hearing recently that oil is very likely going to $160 per barrel or more, I knew that I had to get out of the S&P500 in my 401k (FXAIX) and similar growth funds in my Roth. He really laid out the case for alternate funds in real estate and mortgage securities, with a bit more precious metals. I really didn't want to lose the gains I have made over the last year, and I think this will do it.

When oil hits even $145/bbl come back here and say “I told you so”. Until then I firmly believe oil will never get to anywhere close to $160/bbl.

The timeline for that is mid-July.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-timing-of-the-impendi...

Re: Only 16 Percent of Americans Think AI Will Have a Positive Impact on Society

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I don't like AI customer service either, but having seen the other side it cuts down huge amounts of inbound queries (where the answer can usually be found in knowledge bases) and provides an answer faster than a human would. As long as the escalation path to talk to a human isn't too arduous it's not too bad.

Three things are true: 1. Most customers seeking support could solve their problem easily through self-service methods. 2. Some customers are running into edge cases that truly need a human to solve, and they should be able to get access to a human. 3. Making a human easy to get to results in a lot of people who are actually in group 1 but think they're in group 2 costing a lot of money in support staffing costs. The…

The word "need" is loaded and almost seems to be besides the point to me.

Your father-in-law wants to talk a human rather than self-serve. What's the problem with that? Honest question. The fact that he can self-serve is an undisputed fact. But why should he be expected to?

It might be more expensive for companies to offer the level of service that a lot of customers are asking for. If they want to offer that level of service they might have to raise their prices. If people want to pay those prices in order to get that level of service then who cares?

At thbe end of the day, a company is selling its products to people. And people come in all sorts of shapes and sizes and have all sorts of varied preferences.

There are people out there who do not want to own a smart phone. Who don't want to have to study a web page. They paid for something, they want it to "just work" and when it doesn't they want the burden of fixing it to be on the company they are giving their money to.

If a company doesn't want to offer that level of service, they don't have to. But they should expect to lose a certain demographic as a result. I don't think the chief complaint is that self-service options exist but that industries in general tend to chase trends. AI support can keep costs down for a company, great. But the trade-off for that is that there are people willing to pay more for human support and they often find themselves without options because everything always seems to be "all or nothing" with trends in business.

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