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Re: Google workspace threatening to block Firefox access

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Is the implication that Firefox is not maintained or? The issue presented doesn’t seem to be “an up to date browser check” it seems to be a “is it latest chrome” check, which is a very different thing.

We don't know. The author doesn't mention how current the Firefox browser is/was. If the organization is indeed enabling a specific check for Chrome that seems a little over the top but they're the ones supporting their users and if they want to make their life easier by only dealing with one browser that's their decision to make. It's like saying that everyone has to use Windows, or a specific line of laptops, or an…

It's not a little over the top its an antitrust issue and clearly and obviously wrong.

Re: Google workspace threatening to block Firefox access

#42
post #9

Is it not: https://knowledge.workspace.google.com/admin/security/create... The Org admin can put all sorts of restrictions on who can do what based on the client device setup.

Unrelated to this news, but this is so rudimentary, when the correct solution instead is:

1. Make it ridiculously easy to install hardware vendor keys and register it with OS of choice. (like a standardized dialog box in UEFI and a standardized/regulated IPMI-like interface)

2. Allow for only measured boot on those devices.

3. Provided facility to verify signatures.

Do this on consumer and enterprise laptops and desktops alike and all of these weird set of conditions just go out of play and replaced by something much much simpler.

Re: Google workspace threatening to block Firefox access

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This is not a Google-wide thing… this is from Google’s Context-Aware Access product, which is configurable in Google Workspace environments. OP should direct their ire at their corporate IT or infosec team.

it shouldn’t be an option. Some IT departments just see a “more secure” checkbox and will always check it, even if it doesn’t make sense holistically- sometimes compliance incentivises (or forces) this behaviour. A common example is forcing intune/device enrolment for mobile devices (including ipads)- but not for the infinitely less secure laptops: because no such endpoint enforcement checkbox exists

It's their organization. They are allowed to make decisions about what software their employees use. I'm a die-hard Mozilla fan, but I don't find this unreasonable.

Re: Google workspace threatening to block Firefox access

#44
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the implication that Firefox is not maintained or? The issue presented doesn’t seem to be “an up to date browser check” it seems to be a “is it latest chrome” check, which is a very different thing.

We don't know. The author doesn't mention how current the Firefox browser is/was. If the organization is indeed enabling a specific check for Chrome that seems a little over the top but they're the ones supporting their users and if they want to make their life easier by only dealing with one browser that's their decision to make. It's like saying that everyone has to use Windows, or a specific line of laptops, or an…

Not a little over the top, it is anticompetitive behavior.

Re: Google workspace threatening to block Firefox access

#45
post #15

Not defending it, but given that they use the word "secure" three times in two sentences, I'm wondering if it's shown to browsers that don't support DBSC. Google has been really pushing/overselling this as a magical solution to cookie theft.

I was thinking it could be a Context-Aware Access thing. Firefox doesn’t support Endpoint Verification plugin

Is it possible for a non-google browser to be said to meaningfully support this given that implementing the features wouldn't necessarily accomplish anything insofar as it wouldn't let you past the google only security gate and would represent a moving target in any case.

Re: Google workspace threatening to block Firefox access

#46
post #43
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it shouldn’t be an option. Some IT departments just see a “more secure” checkbox and will always check it, even if it doesn’t make sense holistically- sometimes compliance incentivises (or forces) this behaviour. A common example is forcing intune/device enrolment for mobile devices (including ipads)- but not for the infinitely less secure laptops: because no such endpoint enforcement checkbox exists

It's their organization. They are allowed to make decisions about what software their employees use. I'm a die-hard Mozilla fan, but I don't find this unreasonable.

Google and Microsoft shouldn’t be giving levers that bake you more into their ecosystem regardless.

Your corporate serfdom is not in question, but I disagree with that notion too.

Re: Google workspace threatening to block Firefox access

#47
post #27

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Using a maintained and up-to-date browser is a reasonable requirement for an IT department (should be for anyone really). Would you suggest they should be allowing IE6 just because a user might prefer it? Of course Google is going to suggest using Chrome, if they detect that the browser might be out of date.

Is the implication that Firefox is not maintained or? The issue presented doesn’t seem to be “an up to date browser check” it seems to be a “is it latest chrome” check, which is a very different thing.

If we are meant to believe that this is a Chrome-invasion-move, it's the least effective lever of all times. Most of the time the more plausible explanations are just the likely ones.

Re: Google workspace threatening to block Firefox access

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post #43
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it shouldn’t be an option. Some IT departments just see a “more secure” checkbox and will always check it, even if it doesn’t make sense holistically- sometimes compliance incentivises (or forces) this behaviour. A common example is forcing intune/device enrolment for mobile devices (including ipads)- but not for the infinitely less secure laptops: because no such endpoint enforcement checkbox exists

It's their organization. They are allowed to make decisions about what software their employees use. I'm a die-hard Mozilla fan, but I don't find this unreasonable.

The problem is Google appears to label this as a security feature. I'm fine with the feature existing, but it should say something like "require Chrome" or "block Firefox" not "require a secure browser (wink wink we actually mean Chrome)"

Re: Google workspace threatening to block Firefox access

#49
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the implication that Firefox is not maintained or? The issue presented doesn’t seem to be “an up to date browser check” it seems to be a “is it latest chrome” check, which is a very different thing.

If we are meant to believe that this is a Chrome-invasion-move, it's the least effective lever of all times. Most of the time the more plausible explanations are just the likely ones.

you’d probably say something different if it were microsoft.

I don’t see why I should give affordances of good will to Google here.

They’re not stupid, they know that this is an effective lever to further cement full-fat chrome as the default browser for the internet.

Re: Google workspace threatening to block Firefox access

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Google doesn’t have a monopoly in workspace applications.

You don't have to have a monopoly to be monopolistic.

The Sherman Act says that any action by an individual, or conspiracy of a group of individuals, to "restrain trade" or seek a monopoly is illegal.

Monopolies aren't a prerequisite for antitrust action, they're the failure state when you should have acted sooner.

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