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Re: Hyundai buys Boston Dynamics

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Post by MysticOracle »

nradov wrote: post #39
Hugsbox wrote: post #31

I don't understand why they would implement humanoid robots instead of purpose-built robots. The human form is not the most optimal way to do most tasks, especially as it relates to manufacturing. Robots don't need to look like humans, they need to be useful . Seems like putting in an awful lot of extra unnecessary work to end up with a worse result.

I took a tour of the BMW Group Plant Spartanburg body shop. It's heavily automated with industrial robots inside safety cages. But they still have human workers pick up parts from rolling carts and place them into templates for the robot arms. BMW has been running a trial with Figure humanoid robots to automate that remaining piece. Apparently those robots haven't worked very well, but presumably Hyundai thinks they…

BD was training Atlas for Hyundai factory in Savannah, Georgia for a while:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbHeh7qwils

Re: Hyundai buys Boston Dynamics

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Post by zuzululu »

conception wrote: post #75

Just a note for the thread Hyundai Motor Group makes cars and a lot of other heavy industry things - trains, defense, plant. Rolling robotics fully into their motor group makes complete sense.

rnteresting part is defense although the economics and power/range limits its practicality.

the other timing here is the increasingly belligerent union who are demanding pretty outrageous compensation for what a typical American worker would make. I think the goal is to immediately automate the workforce and move the plants out of korea speaking to insiders.

Re: Hyundai buys Boston Dynamics

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Post by Jegber »

Hugsbox wrote: post #31

I don't understand why they would implement humanoid robots instead of purpose-built robots. The human form is not the most optimal way to do most tasks, especially as it relates to manufacturing. Robots don't need to look like humans, they need to be useful . Seems like putting in an awful lot of extra unnecessary work to end up with a worse result.

The human form IS the most optimal way to do most tasks

Re: Hyundai buys Boston Dynamics

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Post by bayindirh »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #87
babypuncher wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and tech companies wonder why consumers hate AI

What seems to be the problem here? Why is it offensive that someone didnt spend more time hand selecting a picture for the article?

There's a saying in Zen which I live by. "How you do something is how you do everything".

Start to be sloppy somewhere, you'll be sloppy everywhere. As we "learn and enable" to do things faster with less effort, the quality of the thing we (as in humans collectively) do decline.

AI, when used as the sole blunt instrument, accelerates this dramatically.

Re: Hyundai buys Boston Dynamics

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Post by fooker »

cpgxiii wrote: post #90
ACCount37 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure how many times this has to be restated. It's car manufacturing. Everything that could be done by a purpose specific robot arm bolted down to the factory floor is already done by a purpose specific robot arm bolted down to the factory floor. What remains unautomated, then? The long tail of tasks that are too minor, too finicky, too open-ended or too reliant on manual dexterity to be offloaded onto traditi…

> Everything that could be done by a purpose specific robot arm bolted down to the factory floor is already done by a purpose specific robot arm bolted down to the factory floor. Hah! Hardly. I say this as someone whose first "real job" was in applying robotics research to automotive assembly - there are still a ton of assembly tasks that could be performed by a fixed-base robot arm, or a robot arm on a linear rail/f…

How long ago was your robotics experience?

An Amazon warehouse or Tesla factory tour would likely change your mind.

I had to do both of these in the last year and not a lot of humans around…

Re: Hyundai buys Boston Dynamics

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Post by bayindirh »

nativeit wrote: post #45
fnordpiglet wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ai generated imagery can’t be copyrighted while all other photography can and generally needs to be treated as it is. Therefore you likely have to pay a royalty to Getty or other asset outlet. Of use AI.

…who have quite conveniently already stolen and trained on all the copyrighted images. Thanks AI!

Please. It's all fair use. Otherwise AI companies can't repackage and sell what's out there for free.

On a relevant note: https://www.theverge.com/news/674366/nick-clegg-uk-ai-artist...

Re: Hyundai buys Boston Dynamics

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Post by claw-el »

fooker wrote: post #95
cpgxiii wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Everything that could be done by a purpose specific robot arm bolted down to the factory floor is already done by a purpose specific robot arm bolted down to the factory floor. Hah! Hardly. I say this as someone whose first "real job" was in applying robotics research to automotive assembly - there are still a ton of assembly tasks that could be performed by a fixed-base robot arm, or a robot arm on a linear rail/f…

How long ago was your robotics experience? An Amazon warehouse or Tesla factory tour would likely change your mind. I had to do both of these in the last year and not a lot of humans around…

Also, a general purpose robot vs a custom purpose robot represent very different capital investment profile for the factories?

Re: Hyundai buys Boston Dynamics

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Post by serf »

fooker wrote: post #95
cpgxiii wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Everything that could be done by a purpose specific robot arm bolted down to the factory floor is already done by a purpose specific robot arm bolted down to the factory floor. Hah! Hardly. I say this as someone whose first "real job" was in applying robotics research to automotive assembly - there are still a ton of assembly tasks that could be performed by a fixed-base robot arm, or a robot arm on a linear rail/f…

How long ago was your robotics experience? An Amazon warehouse or Tesla factory tour would likely change your mind. I had to do both of these in the last year and not a lot of humans around…

automotive workers unions started around 1918 and became major political players in the 30s -- a fact that i'm sure is wholly unrelated to why there are so many un-automated tasks in that industry.

Re: Hyundai buys Boston Dynamics

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Post by LanceH »

ACCount37 wrote: post #37
Hugsbox wrote: post #31

I don't understand why they would implement humanoid robots instead of purpose-built robots. The human form is not the most optimal way to do most tasks, especially as it relates to manufacturing. Robots don't need to look like humans, they need to be useful . Seems like putting in an awful lot of extra unnecessary work to end up with a worse result.

I'm not sure how many times this has to be restated. It's car manufacturing. Everything that could be done by a purpose specific robot arm bolted down to the factory floor is already done by a purpose specific robot arm bolted down to the factory floor. What remains unautomated, then? The long tail of tasks that are too minor, too finicky, too open-ended or too reliant on manual dexterity to be offloaded onto traditi…

> What remains unautomated, then?

And the tasks that change from day to day.

Re: Hyundai buys Boston Dynamics

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Post by dyauspitr »

AJ007 wrote: post #35
dyauspitr wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And figure out usage and licensing and all that crap. So much easier to just generate a brand new image.

Little appreciated fact is news orgs have full time employees just dealing with licensing all day long, and they pay out millions of dollars when someone fucks up.

Yeah, now they don’t need that department.
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