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NASA picks Eric Schmidt's rocket company for Mars mission

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Re: NASA picks Eric Schmidt's rocket company for Mars mission

#51

NASA always needs more competition to keep launch costs low and encouraging innovation and it seems like he hasn't been CEO for a long time. This is indicative of funding competition which is a good thing.

It's so weird that space launches is one of the businesses where the free market appear to be working.

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Re: NASA picks Eric Schmidt's rocket company for Mars mission

#52

I need to jump on this rocket company spacewagon. Claude, make me a space rocket. Using only lisp, if and regex statements.

You didn't add "make no mistakes" so that first test burn will probably blow up the pad, but now you know.

If you don't blow up a few rockets on the pad, are you even a real rocketry company?

That's gotta be some kind of rite of passage

Re: NASA picks Eric Schmidt's rocket company for Mars mission

#53
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This mission is an orbital science mission studying Mars' atmosphere, not the same objective as SpaceX's long-term goal of sending large cargo and eventually humans to Mars. So I think the title might be taking the piss just a smidge.

>It's not the delusional attempt to send people to mars, it's just the pratical application of science. Lets not get confused guys!

Re: NASA picks Eric Schmidt's rocket company for Mars mission

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You didn't make an argument. You still haven't. Every new thing goes through a long stage where it hasn't happened yet . You haven't even begun to argue, with evidence, that this thing can't happen. Even your line about "an entire space program" is incoherent in this context because the rocket in question is literally being used as a component in "an entire space program".

I fully disagree. Is that good enough to discuss? Name a private company that has landed on private devices on another planet. Here's the picture of where the argument stands: Venus Rocket Lab / MIT: Venus Life Finder: Late (Missed original 2023/2025 windows; now targeted for late 2026/2028) Mars One: Conceptual Failure Inspiration Mars Foundation: Cancelled SpaceX: very, very, very late (timeline pushed to 2028+) Re…

There's still nothing here worth debunking. But as long as we're trying to extrapolate from history and vibes, I'll just point out that your timeline is at least as plausibly interpretable as the early stages of a progression that eventually leads to a privately built rocket going to mars.

Re: NASA picks Eric Schmidt's rocket company for Mars mission

#55

NASA always needs more competition to keep launch costs low and encouraging innovation and it seems like he hasn't been CEO for a long time. This is indicative of funding competition which is a good thing.

why couldn’t NASA have internal design competitions that vie on cost?

Third parties will always build in profit to their services which is wasteful.

Re: NASA picks Eric Schmidt's rocket company for Mars mission

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pathetic response, and even lazier a comment history. https://postimg.cc/JDyRWZJv/d3056008

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I do have to say, the most interesting cope is hundreds of people telling me that this is not what is happening:

> The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears.

https://old.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/1i7w4nz/comparison_of...

I understand that this very uncomfortable for many people, but, yeah... this is reality.

Re: NASA picks Eric Schmidt's rocket company for Mars mission

#57

Relativity Space had a really interesting idea even before Eric Schmidt bought it. The key ideas were new technologies in 3d printing of designs for rapid iteration of design-to-implementation on what was previously extremely difficult (rocket engines, rocket bodies). They even called their printers "Pylons" if recall (a nod to StarCraft's Protoss). The manufacturing tech has far broader implications than the applica…

Sounds like they must construct additional pylons...

Re: NASA picks Eric Schmidt's rocket company for Mars mission

#58
post #5

This mission is an orbital science mission studying Mars' atmosphere, not the same objective as SpaceX's long-term goal of sending large cargo and eventually humans to Mars. So I think the title might be taking the piss just a smidge.

Why?

Not everything is about Elon’s wacky plan to settle Mars.

Re: NASA picks Eric Schmidt's rocket company for Mars mission

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post #58
post #5

This mission is an orbital science mission studying Mars' atmosphere, not the same objective as SpaceX's long-term goal of sending large cargo and eventually humans to Mars. So I think the title might be taking the piss just a smidge.

Why? Not everything is about Elon’s wacky plan to settle Mars.

SpaceX is incredibly sensitive about this after they've been beaten to Mars orbit by ... it's quite a list: NASA/JPL, the Soviet/Lavochkin Mars program, ESA, ISRO, ESA+Roscosmos, the UAE Space Agency/MBRSC + JAXA (Japan), and China’s CNSA. And Blue Origin: it launched NASA’s ESCAPADE probes. And while they are still en route and are expected to enter Mars orbit in 2027, orbital dynamics means it's not possible to beat them. Oh and adding these up you might think SpaceX has been beaten to Mars 7 times, but that's not correct. They've been beaten 17 times to Mars orbit in total, and that number will inevitably rise to 18 even if they launched a Mars mission tomorrow. It's over 30 if you count individual vehicles that launched on one rocket separately.

(yes, I'm a bit disappointed, I worked on a canceled European Mars mission long ago. Unfortunately, the financial math on why the entire company was canned was entirely correct, and yes I'm a bit angry that SpaceX gets such incredible funding, with a financial plan that, while better than the one we used, still isn't good enough)

Doubly so now it has been made clear that Falcon 9 is a failure. Reusable rockets are, as an innovation, in fact not good enough for a company to profitably sell access to earth orbit, as it turns out (but was extensively predicted)

(note: this is because starlink is of course using SpaceX funds, and is making a big loss doing it. In other words: the market for falcon9 launches is not big enough to sustain SpaceX, without artificial tricks that look good in the short term but unless something changes, increase the losses in the long term)

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/nov/13/jeff-bezos-b...

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