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Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by infecto »

windexh8er wrote: post #265
infecto wrote: post #97

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The cost is just insane though. $4-$500 for a camera that I can get equivalent specs for $50-100.

You've clearly not owned many IP cameras, especially not outdoor cameras that go through true seasonal weather. Now, I will say that the first generation of cameras from Ubiquiti were just OK everything after the 3rd generation has been very good overall. As others have pointed out they are supported for a long time. I have some earlier generations cameras that are going on 7 years of updates. Not only are you barely…

I have run IP cameras outside for a decade plus. Whatever floats your boat

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by Fnoord »

9x39 wrote: post #157
Fnoord wrote: post #144

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> With face detection? License plates? Tamper protection? I do that with my Unifi Protect doorbell. RTSP streams. Google Coral. Frigate. Scales very well. Do ML on low quality stream. Look/save the high quality stream. You do it all centralized, and you can put the camera(s) on a seperate VLAN. They don't even need internet access. If you run them over PoE twisted pair, the attacker would need physical access to perf…

Wow, that's cool, learned something new today. Does that work better in your estimation than the UI Protect software? The purpose of my comment had only been pointing out those features don't come onboard a $100 cam.

You already got a good reply, but I can maybe add n+1 and some details:

It works similar, but requires some effort to get working (if you already self-host its peanuts think Frigate plus reverse proxy and I also use Wireguard to have it available from outside). My home connection is fiber 1 gbit, but with DSL (only 30 mbit upload) it worked fine, too.

Since I want to decrease my reliance on US cloud, I like to self-host. I also still rely on Unifi APs and the doorbell. Right now I wouldn't spend money on building a self-hosted server, given prices.

I should mention I use iGPU via SR-IOV on a VM. The Google Coral sits in the device unused.

I also immediately copy the stream to an offsite backup. This way, if I get coerced to destroy my doorbell feed, I will happily oblige.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by jon-wood »

eptcyka wrote: post #78
sussexby wrote: post #51

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The same is true for our AI processing on the cameras. This is entirely local and private. You can even air gap the UniFi Protect system from the Internet and it'll operate fine.

Can I use it without running some inane management VM?

Unifi gateways run the management software now, typically they'll also be your networks router and so something you'll need to buy anyway, but if you just want to use the security/wifi elements then you can either run it in a container or if you're really determined not to run a container and not to buy a router there's the CloudKey.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by jon-wood »

infecto wrote: post #134
9x39 wrote: post #112

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With face detection? License plates? Tamper protection? I'm guessing you're thinking Reolink or other Chinese ultra-commodity cam. It's fine, it's just in a different product class and ecosystem - and that's where enterprises fit in, they want that support+ecosystem and not DIYing. Reolink CX820 8MP $129 https://reolink.com/product/cx820/ Unifi G6 8MP ~$300 https://techspecs.ui.com/unifi/physical-security/uvc-g6-dome…

I never really thought of Ubiquity as enterprise always felt more of the premium small to mid sized business but I am sure some enterprises use them.

They definitely started in the turnkey SME/consumer space, and still do a lot that's relevant there, but they've got a ton of very enterprise hardware targeted at large offices/campuses/stadiums and the like. There's APs specifically designed to be pointed at a sports or concert crowd and handle 1500+ active clients per access point at a time, and similarly specced switches and routers so that you can have TV crews turn up and hook into your network for live streaming.

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Post by jaffa2 »

9x39 wrote: post #131
jaffa2 wrote: post #92

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Yeah . Sounds like horseshit to me to be frank. I have a udm se, 10 g3 cams, 4k bullet+ai, door entry + cam +ai, couple of the display viewports running all day and a nano hd access point and symmetric gig with intrusion etc turned on. I also have wireguard users connecting in remotely. No problems with performance whatsoever at this point. Ok its not enterprisy its just a small business with 20 people but seems fine…

He did say intrusion detection so that's probably it. That, and if you're using any kind of complicated firewall rules, those aren't HW accelerated like enterprise gear, so throughput tanks. This is worse with the older devices. For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4yKf044meY https://community.ui.com/questions/UniFi-Gateway-Intrusion-D...

Yeah the older devices were notoriously bad when intrusion was on.

I also have it on on my unit .

I do agree though nonharm in giving a bit more power. Why skimp on the cpu.

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Post by zackify »

zzyzxd wrote: post #218

The biggest concern about Ubiquiti to me is still its software/infrastructure quality. Off top of my head, besides all the UI/UX glitches: - They once allowed a human employee to access static AWS root access key. - Their employee once claimed "remote access" was end to end encrypted, but later people figured out they probably just meant TLS in transit. - They had a configuration error that allowed some users to acce…

Yeah this is why I disable remote access and setup tailscale.

Its annoying but with Claude and a little knowledge you can make it persistent. By default it got wiped every update which was annoying.

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Post by mar_buffalo »

runjake wrote: post #204
close04 wrote: post #197

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Any video surveillance system is foiled by a simple mask. Thieves who know to plan a break-in when you're away usually do their homework and come prepared.

This is why I think someone should market a cheap SIGINT tool that collects BT/BTLE/Wi-Fi data from nearby devices. I've got this setup running on a Raspberry Pi near my front door and it collects all sorts of useful data, even from people walking by on the sidewalk, 30 feet and two walls away. At some point, I'd love to explore vehicle emissions more, too.

I've worked on something to do this, it' not perfect. It listens for 24 hours, learns what is 'normal'. Calibrates strength of signal (dogwalker on sidewalk, ignore) getting closer than that, between 10pm and 5am, turn on a light or two. Not meaning to spam, but it's at wispyalert.com . Any thoughts, I'd be interested to hear.

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Post by throw0101c »

close04 wrote: post #197
dmoose wrote: post #141

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> This is entirely local and private. You can even air gap the UniFi Protect system from the Internet and it'll operate fine. One week ago 3 guys broke into my shop while I was traveling. They had sense enough to power down the starlink that was providing internet which would have taken out all of the remote camera options. They did not realize that almost everything they were doing was being recorded via the unifi s…

Any video surveillance system is foiled by a simple mask. Thieves who know to plan a break-in when you're away usually do their homework and come prepared.

> Any video surveillance system is foiled by a simple mask.

Do not under-estimate the number of thieves on the left-hand side of the bell curve: if you can deal with those that's half the population that's less of a problem.

(The thieves on the right-hand side of the bell curve generally work on Wall Street and generally don't do break-and-enters.)

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Post by neogodless »

stavros wrote: post #130
atombender wrote: post #120

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Stock symbol for Ubquiti, the company being discussed.

Thanks. I wish people could just say the company name instead of using random aliases, but I guess it's some sort of cultural thing.

I think using "poorly known" initialisms is almost always a "I'm in the in group" signaling.

Or just making assumptions about what "everyone" knows. Either way it tends to be a net negative for a large percentage of the audience.

Whether the individuals writing care about the ignorant among the audience determines if they put any effort into being educational or just signaling.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by kllrnohj »

827a wrote: post #181
bhouston wrote: post #47

> "Dual 25 Gigabit SFP28 ports and redundant power supplies for resilience" Can you actually saturate the links with the spinning drives? I've had the hardest time making my TrueNAS ZFS server fast when it was filled with HDD spinning disks. I initially also had 12 of them trying to get maximum speed. I have 128GB RAM and a 10G ethernet connection. I tried all types of optimizations like L2ARC via NVMe, etc, and it w…

It does have a dual NVMe cache; those in RAID-0 will saturate (e.g. I believe just one Samsung 990 Pro can write at just over 50Gbps). The bigger risk is the CPU. This is an issue with the Ubiquiti UNAS Pro 8, their ~$800 USD 8 bay NAS. In theory it has 10gig networking. In practice the CPU physically cannot transfer bits fast enough, because its a dinky underpowered ARM CPU that they clearly chose to hit that quite…

https://www.storagereview.com/review/ubiquiti-unas-pro-8-rev...

This says the UNAS Pro 8 can saturate 20gbe with reads. It won't with just a single user, though, so for homelab enthusiasts it's less attractive even though the price is appealing. But for an actual small business using it to serve a handful of people? The 10gbe isn't a waste

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