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Re: Modos Color Monitor Pushes E-Paper Displays Further

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Post by Groxx »

abrowne wrote: post #59
Groxx wrote: post #54

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Bangle.js 2 is the only smartwatch I've kept since Pebble. It's definitely not a polished experience, so I can only recommend with pretty strong caveats, but it has the main things I want from a tool : notifications, long battery life, easily-visible screen in all conditions, and isn't a giant slab on my wrist that gets in the way. Nothing else has satisfied that so far, after trying nearly a dozen. They've all had f…

> Touchscreens on your wrist suck so bad. I don't mind myself, and especially in winter with mittens on I can – and often do – use my nose :-D

I don't really mind having a touchscreen, it's the requiring use of it that bugs me.

And in some situations I much prefer it to be disabled, otherwise it reads phantom touches. (Bangle.js 2 has an option to ignore touches, though I forget the details. iirc until button press, or tapping a very small unlock button on the corner of the screen. Works well as a preventative measure, but I've never seen that on other watches)

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Post by sleepybrett »

acc_297 wrote: post #15
user_7832 wrote: post #11

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If I had the 600-odd dollars, I'd absolutely buy this. It's a damn shame it's so expensive.

I think the 600 dollar price is more than double the price of the same diplay as a mass-produced product it's a price for enthusiasts of the technology and it's open source so nothing stops a bigger producer of copying the exact technology with institutional funding and manufacturing expertise

yeah i'm waiting for a 32" mass production model for this pricepoint.

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delecti wrote: post #43
jackb4040 wrote: post #19

Between this, the Daylight computer (I know it's RLCD), and some of the flagship Boox devices, I'm very excited for where alternative display technology is going in the next couple years. Displays that you can use outside and that drain the battery way slower open up so many possibilities for auxiliary devices. My ideal device would be an ultralight android tablet with a keyboard case and an outdoor display good enou…

As a defense of Garmin, even without reflective/transflective/whatever displays (which would be better in sunlight), they still manage decent battery life. I can easily go a full week without charging mine, or several days with a daily ~1hr activity which uses GPS. It's certainly nothing compared to the ~month I managed on my previous watch, but plugging it in during my shower every few days totally eliminates batter…

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Post by efskap »

jackb4040 wrote: post #19

Between this, the Daylight computer (I know it's RLCD), and some of the flagship Boox devices, I'm very excited for where alternative display technology is going in the next couple years. Displays that you can use outside and that drain the battery way slower open up so many possibilities for auxiliary devices. My ideal device would be an ultralight android tablet with a keyboard case and an outdoor display good enou…

> Garmin discontinuing their e-paper smartwatches

Wait what? Do you have a source? I can't find anything about that, and I see the Instinct 3 is still being sold. Very disappointing if so, as that line has been the perfect pebble replacement for me.

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Post by pcchristie »

efskap wrote: post #64
jackb4040 wrote: post #19

Between this, the Daylight computer (I know it's RLCD), and some of the flagship Boox devices, I'm very excited for where alternative display technology is going in the next couple years. Displays that you can use outside and that drain the battery way slower open up so many possibilities for auxiliary devices. My ideal device would be an ultralight android tablet with a keyboard case and an outdoor display good enou…

> Garmin discontinuing their e-paper smartwatches Wait what? Do you have a source? I can't find anything about that, and I see the Instinct 3 is still being sold. Very disappointing if so, as that line has been the perfect pebble replacement for me.

Their flagship devices used to be split into two lines - Epix (AMOLED) or Fenix (MIP). The latest Fenixs (8 series) are AMOLED like the Epix, so you can't get MIP anymore in those lines. I can't speak to their other lines, frankly I've never understood their naming and what each line supposedly does.

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Post by nomel »

jolmg wrote: post #42
adolph wrote: post #36

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Wow, I'm glad to see that person is getting some more recognition for this work. A claim in the video that I can't verify but makes economic/logistic sense is that the speed problem isn't the panels but the controllers. The current crop of controllers are optimized for low power, which fits the e-reader use case but that is not optimal for the interactive use case.

> The current crop of controllers are optimized for low power, which fits the e-reader use case but that is not optimal for the interactive use case. Why try to contort the technology for something it's not good at, instead of using a more appropriate technology like transflective LCDs? Eink isn't the only option for reflective displays. If you increase the power use of eink to get better refresh rates, I imagine you…

I think the coolest display tech was Mirasol.

Uses flipping wave interference for color. So cool. How do you make black? Easy! Humans can't see UV! :D

[1] https://goodereader.com/blog/electronic-readers/the-rise-and...

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Post by efskap »

pcchristie wrote: post #65
efskap wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Garmin discontinuing their e-paper smartwatches Wait what? Do you have a source? I can't find anything about that, and I see the Instinct 3 is still being sold. Very disappointing if so, as that line has been the perfect pebble replacement for me.

Their flagship devices used to be split into two lines - Epix (AMOLED) or Fenix (MIP). The latest Fenixs (8 series) are AMOLED like the Epix, so you can't get MIP anymore in those lines. I can't speak to their other lines, frankly I've never understood their naming and what each line supposedly does.

Ah, thanks for clarifying. Fenix 8 Solar is still MIPS but I can see why AMOLED is the "premium default" that they'd de-emphasize in their flagships. MIPS just shines less in the showroom, and doesn't have the phone display parity people expect.

I can't see them ever removing it from the Instinct line though, as that's the rugged one that signals tool.

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Post by deepspace »

varun_ch wrote: post #4

There is an awesome YouTube video about this from the person who made it: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nHbA2-_qzH4

I was watching the video the other day, and my jaw dropped. Wenting is a display-technology beast. Watch his other videos too; he seems to be able to squeeze every last bit of possible performance out of every kind of display, and then some.

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Post by freewestpapua »

adolph wrote: post #36
varun_ch wrote: post #4

There is an awesome YouTube video about this from the person who made it: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nHbA2-_qzH4

Wow, I'm glad to see that person is getting some more recognition for this work. A claim in the video that I can't verify but makes economic/logistic sense is that the speed problem isn't the panels but the controllers. The current crop of controllers are optimized for low power, which fits the e-reader use case but that is not optimal for the interactive use case.

> A claim in the video that I can't verify but makes economic/logistic sense is that the speed problem isn't the panels but the controllers.

I don't understand the claim. It is lacking in specifics. Are they claiming that electrophoretic materials (meaning the panels) can actually switch (meaning move pigments) faster than say x.y micrometers per second? I don't think that is true. The article shows that what Wenting did ("binary transition") is pretty much the same as what companies like Dasung did. Instead of trying to have grayscale, it is faster to hit somewhat-black and somewhat-white and give the illusion of fast movement than actual fast movement.

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