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Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Store page: https://store.ui.com/us/en/category/network-storage/products... $3999

Pays for itself in ~40 months of not paying $100/month for streaming services. Edit: Drives are not included :(

Yes piracy costs less than paying for content. You could also just use a standard usb HDD to torrent to, or even stream torrents for free.

A more fair comparison is this nas vs another brands nas. Or compared to S3 if you just need a place to dump files.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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I always forget that these things aren't for me. My immediate thought is always immediately "just build your own NAS with a vanilla Linux box and set up Samba or something because then you can make it however you want". But of course, if I'm someone who knows how to build a NAS and is inclined to do such a thing, then I'm sort of inherently not the kind of person that would be interested in such things and not the au…

I've been a sysadmin for decades, dealt with *nix based servers since the late 90s, yet for the most part I've used devices like Synology servers, simply because I don't want to have to manage technology to that degree at home. I've built my own NAS when my last synology died, and I'm not sure I'll build one again. I've dealt with all sorts of issues that I just haven't had to deal with with a packaged solution, and…

What kind of issues? I just set up a very home tier NAS setup for my home server.

Got a 4 bay usb hard drive enclosure and then just set up a btrfs raid array since my drives are all different speeds and capacities. The thing is only about as fast as a single hard drive but it does pool all the storage in to one unified storage and is way faster than google drive.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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How did you hide it so that the thieves didn't find it?

A 7U cabinet in an overhead space that is difficult to access. Installation and configuration were a bit of a headache but ended up being worth it. There was a NAS in the office and they stripped 7 drives, sleds and all, out of it. I'm guessing with such an obvious endpoint for the camera storage it never occurred to anyone there was a second box. I had something like this in mind when I wired the building. It seemed…

> In the future I'm going to add a local battery backed alarm

Wait, you have an office full of expensive equipment but decided to half-ass DIY the security? No wonder you were targeted.

A proper monitored alarm system would have prevented this. They pretty much all have built-in cellular backup now. Do yourself a favor next time and call a professional.

Don't blow your entire budget on cameras then wonder if you need an alarm system because the only good the cameras will serve is to watch your stuff disappear. You mentioned California so expect these guys to be roaming free in short order if they see any jail time at all. Good luck with seeing any restitution or getting your stuff back.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Stock symbol for Ubquiti, the company being discussed.

The stock symbol for Ubiquiti is actually UI, not UBNT. UBNT was the symbol for the old name that hasn't been used since 2019. I have no idea why changing the name also changed the stock symbol, but shrug

Shorter tickers are considered more valuable, because they are easier to say, type and remember.

A is for Agilent. C is for Citigroup. T for AT&T, the Telephone Company.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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I always forget that these things aren't for me. My immediate thought is always immediately "just build your own NAS with a vanilla Linux box and set up Samba or something because then you can make it however you want". But of course, if I'm someone who knows how to build a NAS and is inclined to do such a thing, then I'm sort of inherently not the kind of person that would be interested in such things and not the au…

Companies are also much more inclined to spend money to solve a problem while hobbyists are much more likely to get enjoyment out of the process of building. I'm firmly in the latter category, having built a rather robust ZFS array on NixOS with a pretty gnarly NVMe cache hierarchy built on LVM. It was fun to do.

I don't have the NVMe cache but I too have quite a robost ZFS array on NixOS. I feel less guilty about running it now since it is powered almost exclusively off solar in my backyard :)

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Sure. But all you can do, when deciding with whom to do business, is base your decision on what they have already done. It's not viable to refuse to do business with a company on the basis of "they might one day get bought by PE and introduce customer hostile changes".

I mean, in the NAS space with a plethora of open source alternatives, that is a viable stance.

Yeah actually, there are tons of PE-proof ways to go about building a NAS.

My "NAS" is a NUC with a couple drives plugged into it using a USB DAS. apt install zfs samba, and away you go.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Some years ago, there were mud-slinging myths being thrown around about ZFS. Things like "ZFS needs 1GB of RAM per 1TB of storage" and "it requires that RAM to be ECC" were once common to find online. These sort of thing seemed to lead to widespread beliefs that it was inefficient, expensive, and fragile. None of that is true, of course, but folks might remember and believe these myths and conclude that it is (or was…

I still got told that I need 16GB of RAM to migrate my 12TB btrfs array from a Synology with 6GB of RAM (2GB actually used) - by TrueNAS people. Are they wrong?

Yep. They be wrong. Many of the myths about ZFS seem to originate from the TrueNAS forums, and the working assumption is that they're motivated to be this way because they're a bunch of gatekeeping losers.

More RAM is better -- of course it is. Otherwise-unused RAM can gets used for stuff like caching (such as the ZFS arc), and caches are faster than disks. That's good for performance.

But ZFS isn't really any more thirsty in this way than other filesystems are, unless special features -- stuff that many other filesystems lack entirely, like deduplication -- get used.

And these days, dedup can use an SSD instead of RAM for the heavy lifting so that's not a huge concern either. (Not that I'm recommending dedup; it works and it is reliable, but it doesn't fit very many workloads.)

I would absolutely be comfortable running ZFS with 12TB on 6GB. Or 2GB, for that matter. It's fine. Send it.

I've personally done more with less and had excellent results. No regrets.

(There's ways to tune arc performance, too. As an example, I've got a dataset that is full of many terabytes of Linux ISOs. I don't need that data to be cached...like, ever. If it were to be cached, it would just consume resources that would be better spent elsewhere. But I do want it to be indexed quickly. So I set that dataset to primarycache=metadata and that works great for me.)

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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> "Dual 25 Gigabit SFP28 ports and redundant power supplies for resilience" Can you actually saturate the links with the spinning drives? I've had the hardest time making my TrueNAS ZFS server fast when it was filled with HDD spinning disks. I initially also had 12 of them trying to get maximum speed. I have 128GB RAM and a 10G ethernet connection. I tried all types of optimizations like L2ARC via NVMe, etc, and it w…

Made me think of this: I got a 10G ethernet network card for my NAS only to realize it has to overlap with my modem's supported bandwidths (IIRC 2.5G, 5G). Knowing nothing about the space, I had assumed it would use max(node1, node2), but instead it negotiated a 1G link. So it was faster to use the mobo's built-in 2.5G port.

The 2.5g/5g 'multigig' standard came out a million years after 10g-baseT. Cheap ex-enterprise 10g cards don't know how to do the middle speeds.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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I must have had a bottle neck somewhere.

How did you configure the array? If you did a single RAID-Z2 say then uncached reads are limited about what a single disk will do. Writes should saturate though. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/05/zfs-versus-raid-eigh...

Yes I did use Raid-Z2 as I figured that was best for the 12 drives I had.

I will be honest that moving to a pure NVMe setup means I never have to read another long article about how to tweak my spinning disk setup for performance and all the tradeoffs to consider. It is honestly freeing, and just feels like discarding old baggage. I do recommend it.

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