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Editorial: "How piracy changed my life"

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Re: Editorial: "How piracy changed my life"

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Piracy for personal use is a 'victimless' (don't bite my head off please) crime, that's why it's OK here. Stealing is not.

Not necessarily. When you pirate something, you are hurting the owner's chances of selling it to you in the future. If you know that there is no chance that you will buy it, then it is victimless. If however things change and you are in a position where you would buy it, you are far less likely to, which does hurt the seller.

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Same with Windows and Office. It's better to have them pirate your program than run somebody's else.

"Although about 3 million computers get sold every year in China, people don't pay for the software. Someday they will, though. And as long as they're going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade." -- Bill Gates during speech at University of Washington http://articles.latimes.com/2006/apr/09/business/fi-micro…

It's similar to many startups. Free initially to ensure growth, but always with eventual monetization in mind.

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I'm glad things worked out for Vlad -- when I was younger, I pirated a fair amount of software and games, and, like him, I think it enabled me to get inspired to learn more about computers in general and, indeed, now I stare at them all day for work. But. I'm not sure what the bigger point is, here. Should we be okay with piracy as long as the pirate is using it for self-betterment? Do games count for that? What abou…

He is illustrating the deadweight loss of a successful copyright system.

Re: Editorial: "How piracy changed my life"

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post #22

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Same with Windows and Office. It's better to have them pirate your program than run somebody's else.

"Although about 3 million computers get sold every year in China, people don't pay for the software. Someday they will, though. And as long as they're going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade." -- Bill Gates during speech at University of Washington http://articles.latimes.com/2006/apr/09/business/fi-micro…

Sadly that didn't stop them from claiming that piracy was a $1.5B$ problem because the retail price of Office was $495. Even though even a child would tell you that no sane individual would spend more than 1/2 their annual salary to buy a copy of a buggy, but ubiquitous, set of tools. In fact they were willing to pay $2 for a pirated CD on the streets so the actual "loss to piracy" was $6M ($2 per each of those 3M machines) but that sounds so much less of an actual problem.

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post #7

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Stealing a car deprives someone of a car. Copying a car does not.

This trope comes up every time piracy is discussed. The point is no one is talking about the legal meaning of "stealing" versus "copyright infringement". What people are saying is that it's immoral. The fact that a content company's product is easily stolen simply because the nature of his business means it is effortless to do through the internet doesn't change anything. If you go to a lawyer for legal advice and th…

I would quibble with your definition of stealing in the case of copying a content company's product. Certainly it's not in the content company's best interest for one person to purchase a CD and then make a copy for his neighbor. But what makes it stealing? The legality of shrink-wrap licensing can be debated, but in many people's minds the action is not disimilar to loaning the CD, or making photocopies of books at a library. Of course the moral behavior would be to respect the publisher's wish to receive payment from each possessor of a CD with those same arrangements of bits, although that course of action might be morally overridden due to certain extenuating circumstances (such as those encountered by the author).

Re: Editorial: "How piracy changed my life"

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I'm one of those people who would pirate just because I could. It was almost a game, trying to amass as much warez as I could, to the point that 90% of the stuff I got I either never used, or used only once.

That changed over time. As my time became more valuable, I couldn't spend all day fiddling with software anymore. I became more focused, downloading only stuff I used a lot. And then it hit me: It would be far easier to just buy the damn thing for $10, $20, $50, whatever and not have to hunt shit down, find a keygen, or in the worst case crack it myself.

So now I don't pirate anymore. It's not out of a feeling of moral obligation, but rather because I appreciate the convenience. And, realizing that pirates are people at various points on the price/effort spectrum, I don't even worry about my own software being pirated. Why should I, when I get income aplenty from it even with pirates in the equation?

Re: Editorial: "How piracy changed my life"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Although about 3 million computers get sold every year in China, people don't pay for the software. Someday they will, though. And as long as they're going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade." -- Bill Gates during speech at University of Washington http://articles.latimes.com/2006/apr/09/business/fi-micro…

Sadly that didn't stop them from claiming that piracy was a $1.5B$ problem because the retail price of Office was $495. Even though even a child would tell you that no sane individual would spend more than 1/2 their annual salary to buy a copy of a buggy, but ubiquitous, set of tools. In fact they were willing to pay $2 for a pirated CD on the streets so the actual "loss to piracy" was $6M ($2 per each of those 3M ma…

So, by this logic, BitTorrent piracy is a $0 problem? Doesn't sound right to me. Not that I'm really pushing the $495 figure either, mind you.

Re: Editorial: "How piracy changed my life"

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Same with Windows and Office. It's better to have them pirate your program than run somebody's else.

"Although about 3 million computers get sold every year in China, people don't pay for the software. Someday they will, though. And as long as they're going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade." -- Bill Gates during speech at University of Washington http://articles.latimes.com/2006/apr/09/business/fi-micro…

"Number two market share goes to Windows pirated, or unlicensed ... That's a competitor that's tough to beat, they've got a good price and a heck of a product, but we're working on it."

-- Steve Ballmer, 2009 http://www.osnews.com/story/21035

Re: Editorial: "How piracy changed my life"

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Skype for a very long time had some absurd protection against things like attaching debuggers, adding code, and whatnot (as I recall). There was a great presentation about it, but I cannot for the life of me find it.

To my very limited knowledge, the most difficult software to crack was Steinberg Cubase. Such a PITA the hackers decided not to do it ever again. They quoted a ridiculously large figure for the amount code devoted to detect cracking (~30%), and having a significant impact on performance. I had links about about bypassing anti-debugging techniques, I'll see if I can get my hands on them again.

Cubase was, by far, the hardest program to find a crack for. I remember a buddy of mine hooked me up with a cracked version that actually worked, but then I reinstalled and lost the files. Never found it again and stopped using Cubase. A year later I just purchased Ableton Live. I know so many people that use Live now because Cubase was too difficult to crack.

Re: Editorial: "How piracy changed my life"

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In addition to gaining experience through the use of pirated software, I think there is also a lot to be said for knowledge and experience gained through the process of committing piracy and attempting to do so undetected.

As a matter of course, pirates often find themselves becoming quite knowledgeable about topics (audio and video encoding, protocols (FTP, NNTP, BitTorrent, etc.), tools such as BNCs and VPNs, encryption, storage methods, etc.), all of which have valid uses aside from committing piracy, that they would otherwise have little motivation to explore.

The desire to commit piracy undetected acts as a motivation for people to gain a deeper understanding of the systems they are interfacing with, and this is often a good thing.

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