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Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by sandeepkd »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #142
sandeepkd wrote: post #135

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I think this is a hard question if you ask people to start providing proof for things like this. A lot of such opinions are usually baked into individuals personal experience and perception. Nevertheless one has to feel very strongly to share such a take here in this manner unless they are gaining something from it.

What? If I call someone a thief, I should be able to point to something they stole.

There is a big difference how one acts in a court and in real life. The original statement could either be a slandering (hard to know what they get to gain from it) or its their bitter experience/perception that they feel strongly about, are are sharing on a platform like this.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by freejazz »

janalsncm wrote: post #148
root-parent wrote: post #133

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If he is supposedly extremely smart, then surely he would have known what he was doing. So how can anyone claim all this was just an accident? "Google and Character.AI agree to settle lawsuits over teen suicides" - https://www.axios.com/2026/01/07/google-character-ai-lawsuit... Be aware...very disturbing: https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/e2e8fc50-a9ac...

Is this genuinely confusing for people? He helped invent the transformer, he didn’t solve content moderation.

Just from reading the threads here it seems readily apparent that he then went to start this company that did these bad things. Does not seem confusing at all?

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by applfanboysbgon »

freejazz wrote: post #168
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #155

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Why shouldn't the court entertain it? If Character is innocent, shouldn't they have the opportunity to have the accusations disproven?

The case is so blatantly frivolous it should have been thrown out. Nobody should have to spend legal fees defending claims that they're responsible for somebody killing themselves over saying "come home to me".

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by ddmma »

gzer0 wrote: post #48

Some context for people who haven’t followed the full loop: Shazeer was a long-time Google researcher, joined Google in 2000, and was one of the co-authors of “Attention Is All You Need.” He left Google in 2021 to co-found Character.AI. In 2024, Google brought him and some Character.AI researchers back via a licensing/talent deal with Character.AI (reportedly around $2.7B). He was then made a Gemini co-lead. Now he’s…

Hopefully will get to the conclusion that "Hopfield Networks is All You Need"

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by wincy »

altmanaltman wrote: post #169
bbeonx wrote: post #145

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This is a motte and bailey though. A regular person on the street has never seen a distinction between these two words, and common sense prevailed after years of Silicon Valley policing of speech to try to make an unpopular position seem tenable and widely agreed upon to get the average person to step in line.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by SecretDreams »

sandeepkd wrote: post #135
highfrequency wrote: post #126

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> idea thief. Takes credit for others’ work. Based on what?

I think this is a hard question if you ask people to start providing proof for things like this. A lot of such opinions are usually baked into individuals personal experience and perception. Nevertheless one has to feel very strongly to share such a take here in this manner unless they are gaining something from it.

This perspective is only relevant if we assume nobody on HN ever posts maliciously. Some of the circles here are small, incestuous, and probably have some resentment. Other times, there's clear botting - very hard to talk against Elon or his companies without a load of down votes.

Needless to say, the OP could be right but they could be right without proof. Or proof would out them. Or it's malicious posting. Don't take anything on the internet too seriously, even in such sanctimonious spaces as HN.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

beng-nl wrote: post #131
busymom0 wrote: post #79

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This reads like an episode of Silicon Valley. I wish that show was rebooted, they'd have so much funny material nowadays.

I loved that show. The love that went into it really shows. Sadly the gap between reality and satire has shrunk. But yes. I also wish that show would come back. Noam shazeer would be google head dreamer

The gap between reality and satire was apparently already very small back when the the show was written. The creator, Mike Judge (who also created Beavis & Butthead, and Idiocracy) had worked in Silicon Valley as a developer and based the show on what he saw. Apparently it was very popular with SV insiders precisely because it was so accurate.
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