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Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by tacker2000 »

The latest version of "Legacy Outlook" on Mac has a huge bug now: "Replying to or forwarding an email does not include the original message in the email body in legacy Outlook for Mac" [1]

So now i am forced to use this New Outlook crapware at last. And it is crap. Its slow as a dog, every action takes 1s. Why do they rearrange all the buttons, change all the fonts... why don't they just copy the old interface 1:1 ? Who knows...

If I have to use this new version for longer than 2 weeks I am switching to some other client.

And also, who knows, maybe they are purposefully inserting these show-stopping bugs to get people to switch.

[1] https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/replying-to-or-for...

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by rf15 »

blueferret wrote: post #111

At this point I would pay up front (one-time fee) for a Windows email client that rendered fast, worked with multiple account types including Outlook, had a nice simple interface so I can focus on the messages, and didn't have AI stuffed into it. Seems like we just don't have that.

Build one? sounds like there is demand!

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by gigel82 »

throw10920 wrote: post #313
gigel82 wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until you look at memory consumption in Task Manager or Process Explorer. WebView2 spawns ~400Mb worth of various browser processes. Your main app process by itself might look nice and slim, but all that (somewhat hidden) cost is atrocious.

I have 16 GB of RAM on my laptop, and I'm told that's relatively little nowadays. Even after the OS's 2 GB cut, I can run 35 applications that use 400 MB each. I don't even have 35 applications that I care about. (and I'm certainly not going to want to run more than, say, three email clients) RAM usage at that scale might not be desirable , but any engineer knows that it's the result of a tradeoff where the other opt…

No quibble, but you'll have to pry classic Outlook from my cold, dead hands... :)

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by nunez »

zchrykng wrote: post #103
olex wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Fastmail client is good when it's up and running, but not as good as well-implemented native apps. The initial startup is much slower, and the iOS / iPadOS app (which is the same webapp iirc) is pretty bug-ridden, with the webview freezing or app not progressing past the loading animation without a close swipe / reopen.

Got an example of a well-implemented natice app for email? I'm bugged by some bugs with the Fastmail app, but have generally had a better experience with it than any other client I've tried. Search in particular is far better on the Fastmail app.

iOS Mail app still undefeated 19 years later

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by smhenderson »

That one feature may be fast but anyone who ever used Outlook with multiple shared mailboxes, mailboxes over a few years old, archiving to PST files, etc. will know that Outlook Classic could hardly have ever been considered fast.

Although I don't love it and avoided it for many years I've noticed a lot of these issues went away with the new Outlook. I can load and unload shared mailboxes on demand and I stopped worrying about cache mode settings about five minutes after I switched to it.

It's not great, it's not terrible, like most software I use. But I would have always said the same about Outlook Classic.

Bottom line for me is that MS has Classic on maintenance mode and it's only a matter of time before it's gone.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by justsomehnguy »

modriano wrote: post #288

Up until 2019, Windows was my daily driver and had been for the prior ~20. years. I had been regularly ssh-ing into Linux machines, but it didn't seem like a place I could live. Then, in 2019, I built a PC and, wanting to get more proficient in Linux environments, I made it a dual boot setup with a Ubuntu desktop partition and a Windows partition, expecting I'd inevitably get frustrated on the Linux partition by side…

My favourite part of these success stories when Nautilus can,t replicate some functionality which Windows has since forever, eg copy-pasting tex and files across 3 RDP sessions deep. Sure, someone who uses their computer as a glorified SSH terminal with an occasional Google.Docs edition wouldn't see a problem, but I, who works everyday - do.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by nmjenkins »

nicoburns wrote: post #210
olex wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Fastmail client is good when it's up and running, but not as good as well-implemented native apps. The initial startup is much slower, and the iOS / iPadOS app (which is the same webapp iirc) is pretty bug-ridden, with the webview freezing or app not progressing past the loading animation without a close swipe / reopen.

My main gripe with the Fastmail client is that it doesn't work offline. This is of course absolutely possible to do with a webapp, and IMO ought to be a priority for an email client.

Offline support was added in August last year: https://www.fastmail.com/blog/fastmail-works-offline/

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by nmjenkins »

jonpurdy wrote: post #225
nicoburns wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My main gripe with the Fastmail client is that it doesn't work offline. This is of course absolutely possible to do with a webapp, and IMO ought to be a priority for an email client.

I literally switched on "Enable offline support", caching "All mail" offline on my iPhone a few months ago. Tons of free space, only using 4GB for offline. But when my phone is actually offline (on a plane or elevator) it beachballs when trying to find something.

(I work for Fastmail). That sounds odd – have you contacted our support team so we can look into it? https://www.fastmail.com/support/

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by n0on3 »

tacker2000 wrote: post #321

The latest version of "Legacy Outlook" on Mac has a huge bug now: "Replying to or forwarding an email does not include the original message in the email body in legacy Outlook for Mac" [1] So now i am forced to use this New Outlook crapware at last. And it is crap. Its slow as a dog, every action takes 1s. Why do they rearrange all the buttons, change all the fonts... why don't they just copy the old interface 1:1 ?…

I second the sentiment, it’s unbelievably annoying. Even more so when the suggested solution from the “support” appears to be “You can downgrade to a version before we introduced this bug”. I’m not even gonna try switching to that new crapware, I’m just going to change client altogether.
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