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Notes from tired Egyptian whose job is explaining that humans built the pyramids

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Re: Notes from tired Egyptian whose job is explaining that humans built the pyramids

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I can sympathise and understand why people don't believe this is within human capabilities. Look at how fractured the government and political systems of the west have become. Humans forget. We've forgotten how to build pyramids, we've forgotten the second world war and the lessons learned.

Many medieval Britons believed that Roman ruins were built by giants.

Re: Notes from tired Egyptian whose job is explaining that humans built the pyramids

#33

"I personally can't conceive of how one might built this, and I must be a million times smarter than people 4500 years ago, ergo people didn't build this." is how the Ancient Aliens theory always sounds to me.

There's a ton of people that, for some reason, just can't grok that humans have been largely behaviorally and biologically identical for the past 200k years.

The average ancient roman plebeian's life would not look dramatically different from ours today, minus technology of course. They worked a day job, ate at thermopoliums (basically fast food), lived in crowded apartment complexes with various forms of slum lords, deal with high rent prices, and roman graffiti is littered with complaints about politicians, sports teams, and the rising cost of living.

With the pyramids, we have the Wadi al-Jarf papyri, a detailed logistics logbook documenting the teams moving the stones for the great pyramids, along side payroll records much like any other spreadsheet you'll find on someone's corporate computer today.

We are not so different from our ancient ancestors at all.

Re: Notes from tired Egyptian whose job is explaining that humans built the pyramids

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Egyptians were clever. They had rivers, water and advanced water-management technology.

The shaduf, which is a hand-operated lever with a bucket, to lift water from rivers and canals for irrigation.

The Nile River annually flooded which was monitored because it determined agricultural success.

As well, the Nile served as a transportation route. Huge stone blocks transported through and evidence suggests that canals and harbours were built near some pyramid complexes to help move materials closer to construction sites.

https://aeraweb.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/aeragram15_1-...

Clever people. Not as advanced as the Romans but they had technology and prospered for a long while.

Re: Notes from tired Egyptian whose job is explaining that humans built the pyramids

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If aliens built the pyramids they did a pretty shit job. You can see the evolution where they started building a pyramid and realized it would be too high so they changed the angle half-way up. If they had computers and geometry they probably would have gotten it right from the start.

Re: Notes from tired Egyptian whose job is explaining that humans built the pyramids

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post #27

"I personally can't conceive of how one might built this, and I must be a million times smarter than people 4500 years ago, ergo people didn't build this." is how the Ancient Aliens theory always sounds to me.

Ancient Aliens conflates two very different ideas. The show’s core argument is that ancient civilizations were more advanced than we give them credit for. That may be true, but “more advanced” does not mean they had superior technology or help from aliens. It can simply mean they had technical knowledge, methods, or craftsmanship that we have since lost or forgotten. Elon Musk has made a similar point about the US sp…

> It means knowledge, systems, expertise, and institutional capability can fade over time

This has also been happening since ancient times. Famously, how to make roman concrete was lost after the fall of the empire and Europe did not reinvent high quality concrete until much later in the 18th century. They also lost entire industrial-scale manufacturing pipelines for pottery and had a regression back to crude, hand-shaped pottery.

Turns out we humans have been dealing with the same human problems for hundreds of thousands of years.

Re: Notes from tired Egyptian whose job is explaining that humans built the pyramids

#39

"I personally can't conceive of how one might built this, and I must be a million times smarter than people 4500 years ago, ergo people didn't build this." is how the Ancient Aliens theory always sounds to me.

There's a ton of people that, for some reason, just can't grok that humans have been largely behaviorally and biologically identical for the past 200k years. The average ancient roman plebeian's life would not look dramatically different from ours today, minus technology of course. They worked a day job, ate at thermopoliums (basically fast food), lived in crowded apartment complexes with various forms of slum lords,…

There are ideas that ancient human thinking was very different and primitive compared to modern. For example (and others): The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind by Julian Jaynes (1976)

Re: Notes from tired Egyptian whose job is explaining that humans built the pyramids

#40

I can sympathise and understand why people don't believe this is within human capabilities. Look at how fractured the government and political systems of the west have become. Humans forget. We've forgotten how to build pyramids, we've forgotten the second world war and the lessons learned.

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