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Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by 9x39 »

jaffa2 wrote: post #92
jabart wrote: post #75

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Unifi docs say that the AI feature run directly on the camera or via optional devices like the AI Port or AI Key. Odd that it impacts your UDM Pro and wifi.

Yeah . Sounds like horseshit to me to be frank. I have a udm se, 10 g3 cams, 4k bullet+ai, door entry + cam +ai, couple of the display viewports running all day and a nano hd access point and symmetric gig with intrusion etc turned on. I also have wireguard users connecting in remotely. No problems with performance whatsoever at this point. Ok its not enterprisy its just a small business with 20 people but seems fine…

He did say intrusion detection so that's probably it. That, and if you're using any kind of complicated firewall rules, those aren't HW accelerated like enterprise gear, so throughput tanks.

This is worse with the older devices.

For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4yKf044meY

https://community.ui.com/questions/UniFi-Gateway-Intrusion-D...

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by 9x39 »

qurren wrote: post #55
softfalcon wrote: post #44

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I have heard others say the same as you about Ubiquiti devices. I genuinely curious what bottlenecks you've hit. I've only been using Ubiquiti as a pro-sumer, but it has held up well for my use case of Plex and little game servers. I use a Synology NAS for my storage though, which is a slightly beefier mobile AMD chipset. I'd be very interested to know what I should and shouldn't expect from my ARM based network stac…

> I genuinely curious what bottlenecks you've hit. 1. My UDM Pro absolutely chokes and stalls with intrusion detection enabled on the firewall and 8 cameras connected. Network goes down, cameras disconnect, devices disconnect from Wi-Fi every time a car drives past a camera due to AI features triggering, etc. For something meant for small businesses I wish they would just shove an Intel i5 or something in it. They ma…

Turn off the intrusion detection and your throughput should be significantly better.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by kube-system »

9x39 wrote: post #118
bhouston wrote: post #47

> "Dual 25 Gigabit SFP28 ports and redundant power supplies for resilience" Can you actually saturate the links with the spinning drives? I've had the hardest time making my TrueNAS ZFS server fast when it was filled with HDD spinning disks. I initially also had 12 of them trying to get maximum speed. I have 128GB RAM and a 10G ethernet connection. I tried all types of optimizations like L2ARC via NVMe, etc, and it w…

You can fill it with SSDs, and SFP28 is so common the prices are cheap: https://www.fs.com/c/25g-sfp28-3215 But no, spinning disks won't saturate it, even if you were doing 100% sequential reads. (I originally said fill it with NVMe - I was wrong)

It looks like you can put 2 nvme drives in it, for caching.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by infecto »

9x39 wrote: post #112
infecto wrote: post #97

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The cost is just insane though. $4-$500 for a camera that I can get equivalent specs for $50-100.

With face detection? License plates? Tamper protection? I'm guessing you're thinking Reolink or other Chinese ultra-commodity cam. It's fine, it's just in a different product class and ecosystem - and that's where enterprises fit in, they want that support+ecosystem and not DIYing. Reolink CX820 8MP $129 https://reolink.com/product/cx820/ Unifi G6 8MP ~$300 https://techspecs.ui.com/unifi/physical-security/uvc-g6-dome…

I never really thought of Ubiquity as enterprise always felt more of the premium small to mid sized business but I am sure some enterprises use them.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by 9x39 »

softfalcon wrote: post #44
qurren wrote: post #36

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I just wish they would put better processors in their stuff. Is this yet another NAS powered by an ARM Cortex?

I have heard others say the same as you about Ubiquiti devices. I genuinely curious what bottlenecks you've hit. I've only been using Ubiquiti as a pro-sumer, but it has held up well for my use case of Plex and little game servers. I use a Synology NAS for my storage though, which is a slightly beefier mobile AMD chipset. I'd be very interested to know what I should and shouldn't expect from my ARM based network stac…

Basic routing and switching - expect line speed. Don't expect analysis features to run at line speed - 30-50% penalty could be normal depending on throughput.

Stay away from IPS and complicated firewall rules which usually are done in CPU, and you should be fine. HW acceleration for those (esp. TLS decryption) is a major reason fancy firewalls are very expensive. You're better off building an IDS or picking up a smaller FortiGate or Palo Alto firewall if you really want to get serious there.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by asdff »

revnode wrote: post #24
DataDynamo wrote: post #7

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*yet They will at some point just cash out.

They've been at this for a while. They do have offerings you subscribe for and pay monthly. They have also consistently offered an option for each of those offerings to bring your own or self host. They've earned my trust.

Anything can be sold to PE.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by kube-system »

mpeg wrote: post #37
kyrra wrote: post #21

Store page: https://store.ui.com/us/en/category/network-storage/products... $3999

That seems reasonable, I don't buy NAS for datacenters (just run a modest 80tb one for my home lab) but equivalent rackmount 16-bay ones from other vendors would be more expensive (maybe $5k-6k?) and with less polish.

Yeah, I'd certainly take it over this:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1618911-REG/synology_...

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by natebc »

bzmrgonz wrote: post #58
natebc wrote: post #33

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I remember all this too. The time period that I was in this scene was AFTER 2010 though so who knows. As mentioned in response to the sibling "credible sources" bro, I was just a lowly support engineer so i had to trust that the CEO wasn't lying to us about all this. Maybe he was ... they do that sometimes. I looked around a little. the C&D from Netapp was in ~July 2010 and the partnership and product with Oracle in…

Do we add this corp. body count to Oracle then? I'm pretty sure that Oracle partnership wasn't cheap.

Who knows. I'm sure it was pretty expensive. Was certainly more comfortable on that side of their legal desk though I'm sure.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by 9x39 »

kube-system wrote: post #133
9x39 wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can fill it with SSDs, and SFP28 is so common the prices are cheap: https://www.fs.com/c/25g-sfp28-3215 But no, spinning disks won't saturate it, even if you were doing 100% sequential reads. (I originally said fill it with NVMe - I was wrong)

It looks like you can put 2 nvme drives in it, for caching.

While that's the ARC, I would be surprised if they blocked you from building vdevs with SSDs.

Looking at the specs: https://store.ui.com/us/en/category/network-storage/products...

Hard Drive Capacity

(16) 2.5/3.5" HDD / SSD support

(2) M.2 NVMe SSD support

(2) Expansion ports support

I think you're right we only get two SSDs on NVME as the cache, but it looks like we can run the rest (16) as SATA SSDs, which is often fine if you primarily care about random IOPS and capacity over pure throughput.

Would you consider that a dealbreaker?

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