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Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by AbsurdCensor »

mpeg wrote: post #49
cassianoleal wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've recently been convinced to implement a Unifi stack for my home network. I got a Cloud Gateway, a 10G switch and a couple WiFi APs. The Cloud Gateway will be sold or given away. It's utter crap. I'm now building an OpenWRT container on IncusOS as my Internet gateway/router. The switch is meh. It's easy to admin, which is nice - though I'm having to run UnifiOS on another container on said IncusOS. The APs are fin…

I went with eero and really wish I'd gone with unifi Apart from the shitty software and basic features either missing or locked behind a monthly cost, the network itself is not bad at all, I get 600-700mbps on wifi throughout the house and have my servers wired on 2.5gbe But the one thing I really thought I was buying into by choosing an amazon brand was ease when it came to buying upgrades, and yet I ended up having…

I started with Unifi and it's been pretty great overall. I've integrated all the cameras into Home Assistant, it's all local, and can bridge with HomeBridge so it all shows up and plays nicely with HomeKit as well. Rock solid and very few complaints.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by wccrawford »

mpeg wrote: post #49
cassianoleal wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've recently been convinced to implement a Unifi stack for my home network. I got a Cloud Gateway, a 10G switch and a couple WiFi APs. The Cloud Gateway will be sold or given away. It's utter crap. I'm now building an OpenWRT container on IncusOS as my Internet gateway/router. The switch is meh. It's easy to admin, which is nice - though I'm having to run UnifiOS on another container on said IncusOS. The APs are fin…

I went with eero and really wish I'd gone with unifi Apart from the shitty software and basic features either missing or locked behind a monthly cost, the network itself is not bad at all, I get 600-700mbps on wifi throughout the house and have my servers wired on 2.5gbe But the one thing I really thought I was buying into by choosing an amazon brand was ease when it came to buying upgrades, and yet I ended up having…

I've had standalone routers, Eero Pro, Google Wifi, TP Link Deco, TP Link Omada, and probably some I'm forgetting. They all had something that just enraged me.

I finally bought a Unifi and I'm very happy with it so far, 6 months in. There's a few things I haven't tried, like rebooting it while it doesn't have an internet connection (I'm looking at you, Deco!), but so far my big complaints are that it's opinionated about the initial setup, and setting up a static IP for a device that isn't connected yet is a serious PITA. I had devices on my old system that I didn't want to have to change IPs (because the computers talk to each other) and that was not easy. If I had to do it again, I'd probably just let it do what it wants and deal with changing all those configs to the new IPs.

FWIW, I just have it as a router, and my Wifi is still some of my expensive standalone Asus wifi routers acting as just access points. I didn't see a point in replacing them when they were working great as APs.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by [deleted] »

AbsurdCensor wrote: post #59
toomuchtodo wrote: post #43

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Pays for itself in ~40 months of not paying $100/month for streaming services. Edit: Drives are not included :(

That's without storage. They are charging $750 each for 24tb HDD's, so filling it up brings that cost to $16k. Only need to run it for 13+ years and have zero HDD failures in that time, and then pay for all the media you are going to load it up with. Not exactly sure this would be cheaper or easier than just paying for streaming services and cancelling them when you don't need them.

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Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by sgarland »

I was literally looking today to see if there was any news on this, because it’s been widely assumed that they’d release it.

$4000 is… a lot. I can buy a used CSE-846 for about 1/4 of that, an X10–era mobo for a few hundred bucks, and have 1.5x the bays (tbf, also 4U instead of 3U). Managing ZFS is just not that hard; it’s not Ceph. If you want easy mode, throw TrueNAS on it, and you’ll get an awesome UX that abstracts away everything difficult.

If this were < $3000, I’d probably buy it. I’ve been holding off on replacing my two CSE-826 because I’ve been waiting for this to come out. Disappointing.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by PokestarFan »

AbsurdCensor wrote: post #59
toomuchtodo wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pays for itself in ~40 months of not paying $100/month for streaming services. Edit: Drives are not included :(

That's without storage. They are charging $750 each for 24tb HDD's, so filling it up brings that cost to $16k. Only need to run it for 13+ years and have zero HDD failures in that time, and then pay for all the media you are going to load it up with. Not exactly sure this would be cheaper or easier than just paying for streaming services and cancelling them when you don't need them.

You don't have to buy from them, you can get third party hard drives. Although those are expensive too

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by gh02t »

jjcm wrote: post #60

What is the current state of ZFS? I know it had some licensing issues traditionally, despite it being a delight to use every time I've tried it. Is it back?

Never went away, Linux is now the primary target platform for OpenZFS (which is basically synonymous with ZFS these days). TrueNAS/iXSystems (probably the main commercial company using ZFS) moved from FreeBSD to Linux. Major new features like pool expansion have been added after years of requests. Etc., it's a good time for ZFS on Linux.

There ARE licensing issues related to shipping it compiled into the kernel, but you can install it as a kernel module on every mainline distro nowadays which is functionally the same from a user perspective.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by orthogonal_cube »

annoyingnoob wrote: post #8

Looks interesting, but likely lacks FIPS support which makes it an issue for companies that work with the government.

Are Ubiquiti products commonplace for companies that contract with the US government outside of the DoD/DoW?

Since DoD/DoW generally requires STIG compliance, and none authored are for any specific Ubiquiti product, we can cross that off the list. Sure they can get exceptions or use a more generalized STIG but stakeholders generally have pre-defined limitations on what they will and will not allow on networks they sponsor.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by nemothekid »

DataDynamo wrote: post #7
exabrial wrote: post #2

Ubiquiti's biggest feature is no monthly recurring cost. I really hope they continue the streak on products like this. Seems like anything else bought up these days is switched to an MRR model with no vision into the long term viability.

*yet They will at some point just cash out.

They are already a public company.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by zamadatix »

bhouston wrote: post #47

> "Dual 25 Gigabit SFP28 ports and redundant power supplies for resilience" Can you actually saturate the links with the spinning drives? I've had the hardest time making my TrueNAS ZFS server fast when it was filled with HDD spinning disks. I initially also had 12 of them trying to get maximum speed. I have 128GB RAM and a 10G ethernet connection. I tried all types of optimizations like L2ARC via NVMe, etc, and it w…

I have a backup node with a 40G NIC & a ZFS pool of just 8x HDDs set up as a pool of two RAIDZ1 vdevs striped together (i.e. 4x drives in raidz1-0 & 4x drives in raidz1-1 make up the "backup" pool). Restoring full backup images to another server I usually get ~11-12 Gbps over NFS, no flash cache or anything involved.

Honestly, outside of random access/small file access, my primary NVMe ZFS server isn't all that much faster in raw throughput - despite being 22x NVMe drives going direct to the CPU instead of 8 HDDs going through a SATA controller. I think it's easier to hit other bottlenecks with ZFS/network transfers well before the disk throughput itself. E.g., enabling jumbo frames for NFS did still give me a decent perf/efficiency bonus.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by vladvasiliu »

elevation wrote: post #38

I'm glad to see UBNT in this space. I've always used ZFS because it's vastly superior to other options. When I see storage companies building without fault tolerance, or without a merkle tree (so that you can backup deltas efficiently without having to recompute them) it's a sign their marketing team has more influence over the company than their engineers. Sadly, the few ZFS COTS options have been somewhat underpowe…

> QNAP supports ZFS filesystems

Do they have ecc on those models? Do you have an example model on hand?

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