Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

blog.ui.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

51–60 of 376 posts

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

#51

Post by sussexby »

elevation wrote: post #38

I'm glad to see UBNT in this space. I've always used ZFS because it's vastly superior to other options. When I see storage companies building without fault tolerance, or without a merkle tree (so that you can backup deltas efficiently without having to recompute them) it's a sign their marketing team has more influence over the company than their engineers. Sadly, the few ZFS COTS options have been somewhat underpowe…

The same is true for our AI processing on the cameras. This is entirely local and private. You can even air gap the UniFi Protect system from the Internet and it'll operate fine.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

#53

Post by nyrikki »

topspin wrote: post #26

Is this some xBSD or UniFi OS (debian) with ZFSoL? Can't tell from what they've written. 8C+64GB: enough for essential block+file service, but not for dedup and other demanding ZFS features. Also, doesn't appear the controller is redundant; just the power supplies. iSCSI is headlined; nice they didn't limit this to file. No mention of object store, or NVMe-oF. Seems like a nice, basic, affordable platform for workgro…

They seem to follow the anti-corruption layer model for most of their offerings, so I would expect they use what ever OS is best supported by the upstream.

It is a large reason they can mitigate vendor risk IMHO, offering different tiers of switches as an example without being held hostage by on particular switch IC vendor like many brands.

I do wish someone would take up comstar though, netapp bought and killed several jbod lines etc… to kill it before Oracle bought Sun and also killed it to protect their enterprise storage offerings.

NVMe-oF may be a possibility because there are FPGA IP vendors but without comstar there are some challenges IMHO.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

#54

Post by roamerz »

revnode wrote: post #24
DataDynamo wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

*yet They will at some point just cash out.

They've been at this for a while. They do have offerings you subscribe for and pay monthly. They have also consistently offered an option for each of those offerings to bring your own or self host. They've earned my trust.

>>they’ve earned my trust

Boy I hope Broadcom didn’t hear that…

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

#55

Post by qurren »

softfalcon wrote: post #44
qurren wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just wish they would put better processors in their stuff. Is this yet another NAS powered by an ARM Cortex?

I have heard others say the same as you about Ubiquiti devices. I genuinely curious what bottlenecks you've hit. I've only been using Ubiquiti as a pro-sumer, but it has held up well for my use case of Plex and little game servers. I use a Synology NAS for my storage though, which is a slightly beefier mobile AMD chipset. I'd be very interested to know what I should and shouldn't expect from my ARM based network stac…

> I genuinely curious what bottlenecks you've hit.

1. My UDM Pro absolutely chokes and stalls with intrusion detection enabled on the firewall and 8 cameras connected. Network goes down, cameras disconnect, devices disconnect from Wi-Fi every time a car drives past a camera due to AI features triggering, etc.

For something meant for small businesses I wish they would just shove an Intel i5 or something in it. They make great switches, great APs, great everything else, just too stingy on processors on the few pieces of central equipment that people would actually be willing to spend more on.

And for a $3999 enterprise NAS with dual 25 Gbps SFP ports and 16 drives? It could surely use something more beefy than a Neoverse N2. I'd say an i7 or even i9 is warranted here.

3. The UNAS 8 I don't own but I believe it would struggle with >1Gbps links and encryption enabled

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

#56

Post by ericd »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #43
kyrra wrote: post #21

Store page: https://store.ui.com/us/en/category/network-storage/products... $3999

Pays for itself in ~40 months of not paying $100/month for streaming services. Edit: Drives are not included :(

The drives are the expensive part, though - 16x24TB HDDs adds another $11k.

(Not that you need that much for canceling streaming, I’d get a home Synology or diy TrueNAS for that anyway)

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

#57

Post by wccrawford »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #20

> with ... no firmware restrictions on drive models, organizations can scale capacity without being restricted by proprietary hardware ecosystems. This looks like a dig at Synology, who do this.

They did it for a very short time. The community backlash was so bad that they recanted immediately.

I'm not at all surprised that Ubiquiti is getting ahead of that and promising it from the start.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

#58

Post by bzmrgonz »

natebc wrote: post #33
throw0101c wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oracle and NetApp 'mutually dismissed' in 2010: * https://www.theregister.com/off-prem/2010/09/09/oracle-and-n... * https://www.computerworld.com/article/1585889/opinion-patent... NetApp originally sued then-independent Sun in 2007, and Sun counter-sued. Free/TrueNAS/iXsystems has been offering ZFS-based solutions for many years now, and I haven't heard NetApp going after them: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TrueNAS…

I remember all this too. The time period that I was in this scene was AFTER 2010 though so who knows. As mentioned in response to the sibling "credible sources" bro, I was just a lowly support engineer so i had to trust that the CEO wasn't lying to us about all this. Maybe he was ... they do that sometimes. I looked around a little. the C&D from Netapp was in ~July 2010 and the partnership and product with Oracle in…

Do we add this corp. body count to Oracle then? I'm pretty sure that Oracle partnership wasn't cheap.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

#59

Post by AbsurdCensor »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #43
kyrra wrote: post #21

Store page: https://store.ui.com/us/en/category/network-storage/products... $3999

Pays for itself in ~40 months of not paying $100/month for streaming services. Edit: Drives are not included :(

That's without storage. They are charging $750 each for 24tb HDD's, so filling it up brings that cost to $16k. Only need to run it for 13+ years and have zero HDD failures in that time, and then pay for all the media you are going to load it up with. Not exactly sure this would be cheaper or easier than just paying for streaming services and cancelling them when you don't need them.
Post reply on HN