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The 2-Year Apartment Rule

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Re: The 2-Year Apartment Rule

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Fwiw, most mould is caused by buildings. Poor ventilation, leaks, no waterproofing, substandard building materials. Yes, you can avoid mould in older buildings by carefully airing out rooms and keeping things dry and away from walls. But not if the previous three tenants had a mould issue and the landlord just painted over it.

Yeah. The last two apartments I've been in have had leaks. I begged the landlord to open up the walls and dry them out. They just painted over it, so I moved out. Sadly, that means two other people now in apartments can never figure out why their place smells musty and they feel a bit congested all the time.

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Re: The 2-Year Apartment Rule

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Fwiw, most mould is caused by buildings. Poor ventilation, leaks, no waterproofing, substandard building materials. Yes, you can avoid mould in older buildings by carefully airing out rooms and keeping things dry and away from walls. But not if the previous three tenants had a mould issue and the landlord just painted over it.

> most mould is caused by buildings. An honourable mention to fitting Cavity Wall Insulation , heavily sold and encouraged by UK government energy saving schemes thorough the 1990's and 2000's. Except by stuffing the wall cavity, you provide a nice moisture bridge to outside whilst simultaneously stopping air circulating in the cavity and whipping away moisture; thus an explosion of mould. The policy was a disaster,…

Who has cavity wall insulation removed? The effect on your heating bill is going to be much worse than a small amount of mould, and I'm unconvinced that it makes it worse anyway - one of the main causes of mould in my experience is poor insulation! It makes the walls cold, which means you get condensation on them, and if you have poor ventilation in the rooms then you get mould.

If you have this problem, then the only thing I found which helps is fungicidal wash, and keeping furniture away from the problem walls (especially north facing corners of the house). I suspect wallpaper would also help but I never tried it.

Re: The 2-Year Apartment Rule

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No, I've never seen a residential house with HVAC, even in big apartments. It's all split wall mounted AC units here, or if you're fancy a ceiling version that's basically the same. I think Americans call these heat pumps?

Split AC systems remove moisture from the air when they’re running too, that’s why there’s a condensate drain on the evaporator (and the condenser, but that is outside).

They remove a small amount of moisture, yes. It's nothing compared to what a dehumidifier removes though, even if they're in dry mode.

Re: The 2-Year Apartment Rule

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So much of this article is things that are entirely the author's fault. I say this as someone who has rented in everything from new buildings where I was the first tenant, to decades old buildings, to section 8 housing, to owning homes. You need to do maintenance on any place you live. I've noticed a lot of people that are my age and younger think that maintenance is the responsibility of the landlord, because they associate maintenance to building maintenance, and assume there are not responsible to do anything. I can't tell you the number of people whom I've visited in my life in their rental units to realize that they've never scrubbed their toilets, cleaned under the kickplate in their kitchen, or made any attempt at basic care or repair towards the property at all. I've visited several people, especially other nerdy guys, who don't even own a vacuum cleaner. There seems to be an assumption that everything is entirely the landlord's responsibility and if it goes awry they'll simply move and let the landlord deal with it.

I don't know how entire generations have managed to get to adulthood and through some aspects of life without learning basic life skills, but an apartment is not the same thing as a long-stay hotel. There's no maid service, your mommy is not there to make you chicken nuggets and clean up after you. You need to take care of your own shit, and I mean that both figuratively and literally. Clean up after yourself, manage moisture, take care not to damage things (in general, but especially where you live), and if you do damage something you should fix/repair it yourself as immediately as possible. Don't fuck a place up and then leave it for someone else to resolve, and definitely don't fuck it up and then act like its someone else's responsibility.

Unfortunately, because this seems to be a growing problem of complete lack of care, accountability, and basic life skills in society, you are more likely to also be negatively impacted by others. The reason the gym equipment eventually breaks is because nobody takes any care in using it or misuses it, and you end up in a tragedy of the commons situation. Even if you do everything right, you will eventually be negatively impacted by those who go through life fucking things up and blaming everyone else. It's one of the reasons why it's awesome to own your own home, everything is your problem, but you also have complete control over your own living environment.

Re: The 2-Year Apartment Rule

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Most leases have clauses stating something to the effect that tenants are responsible for keeping their units reasonably clean and sanitary. If tenants start complaining about roaches, a good landlord will do a bit of investigation and remind tenants of the importance of cleanliness, proper disposal of trash, etc.

a "good" landlord will lecture the tenant without solving the problem and a "bad" landlord will double the rent

> ...a "good" landlord will lecture the tenant without solving the problem

Huh? When it comes to pests, it takes effort on both sides, especially in environments that are prone to pests. A landlord can pay for regular pest control services but if there are tenants who don't store and dispose of waste properly, it can reduce their efficacy.

Re: The 2-Year Apartment Rule

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Yeah, I think that is the case: the 2 years may be a reflection on the level of care they give. We built a house and after 2 years it started to need more maintenance, it is normal. I fixed it and every now and then I need to do more. Just regular adult life.

Agreed, when I was reading this I thought "but this is normal adult life?"

Renters are not generally able or willing to do basic home maintenance, so

Re: The 2-Year Apartment Rule

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There is specific kitchen / bathroom paint that is smoother and has some anti-mold ingredients. Makes a huge difference to use the correct paint in a damp environment. Condensation itself is a function of the air conditions (temperature and relative humidity ie dew point) and surface temperatures. All surfaces should be comfortably above the dew point to prevent mold. You can use a hygrometer to measure the air, and…

> All surfaces should be comfortably above the dew point to prevent mold. I agree that this should be the case, but actually achieving this in the UK (where heating is very expensive and housing is poorly insulated) is prohibitively expensive for many people.

Dehumidifier is an option as well, and/or heat-recovery ventilation.

Re: The 2-Year Apartment Rule

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> Things start off fine, but then mold starts growing in the bathroom, and a recurring leak springs up in the living room, and then roaches start appearing in the kitchen. When I started reading the article, I thought the whole point was gonna be that the author doesn't take care of the apartment. The recurring leak might not be the author's fault, but the mold in the bathroom and roaches in the kitchen definitely ar…

The article seems mostly about noticing a fun coincidence backed by anecdotal evidence, except I’m currently going through the same thing, so I’m lending the theory more weight. (The elevators were always fine; now, two years later, they’re constantly out, and the garage door is busted for the first time.) My thought was that it could plausibly be that renting goes in cycles: the building is desperate for renters, so…

I can see the greater complex-wide cycle argument for complex wide amenities, leasing office support, and maintenance request response/resolution times.

Everyone moves out, so the above issues become a higher priority until units are backfilled. Since units are filled, the above issues become less important (to the owners at least, not the renters). Then renters receive this worse service, start moving out in waves, and the cycle continues.

The mold, and in-unit plumbing, and insect issues seem more like routine maintenance types of things to me. But compounded slightly by longer maintenance request response/resolution times.

Re: The 2-Year Apartment Rule

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I recommend dehumidification over chemicals. It's much simpler and way more thorough. It also suppresses pests like silverfish. Allergies probably much better too. If you can keep your home under 45% RH, mold simply cannot grow. You'll never have to think about it. The longer and more persistent the dehumidification, the better the outcome. It can take weeks for the moisture to get pulled completely out of your drywa…

I don't understand how they don't end up just drying the fresh air? The average home has a certain amount of fresh air coming in. Outside is often 50-80% here in the UK. Am I just spending 150 watts to constantly dehumidify fresh air? Is it really dehumidifying the walls, furniture etc or just the new fresh air?

> Am I just spending 150 watts to constantly dehumidify fresh air?

Yes. And it's probably closer to 800-1000 watts if you have a reasonably large living space. Someone living in the UK is likely to find this extremely offensive, but it's quite common in Texas and Florida.

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