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Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Started a new job, with Windows 11. notepad.exe now takes 3 to 4 seconds to load on my work system... (even after closing the last tab and reopening the program). Hah, it even has in-app purchases, for AI writing...

Sounds like something is wrong with your system.

My work machine runs Windows 11 and it's fully up to date. Notepad starts pretty much instantly.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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The Outlook web app breaks browser navigation, I thought we had that figured out in SPAs like, more than a decade ago. But it does load almost-instantly (less than a second) so that's nice at least.

Where does it break nav? Honest question, because I have been living inside it for almost 7 years now and actually prefer it to any of the desktop clients (except on the Mac).

On desktop (Firefox) at least if I navigate to another folder, the URL changes but the browser back button doesn't change the view back to inbox. On mobile (iOS Safari), if I open an email, then try to navigate back, it takes me all the way back to the login page. The app also seems to use old-fashioned #anchor-based URLs rather than the navigation API.

(Hilariously, I found a feedback link but it points to a 404.)

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Peak Outlook was 2016, right before the 365 mess.

I heard excel guys say peak Excel was 2010. Where there any genuinely useful features Outlook 2016 had over 2010?

You can take LET and LAMBDA from my cold dead hands

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Started a new job, with Windows 11. notepad.exe now takes 3 to 4 seconds to load on my work system... (even after closing the last tab and reopening the program). Hah, it even has in-app purchases, for AI writing...

Microslop at its best. I’m struggling to understand what their end goal is. How much can you half ass everything until your entire company becomes just a nuisance.

I have had the same thought for years. I guess their monopoly makes them able not to care about quality (and does not depend on it).

A big decision maker, before signing a big contract, will look at the budget and won't care about how good is the UX.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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> Outlook is based on WebView2, and like all web apps, it’s slow Fastmail also has a web based email client, which is as fast as (if not faster than) Outlook Classic. The new Outlook is just bad. Load order is wrong, it renders everything on every window, loads unnecessary data, etc. Plain annoying.

It's crystal clear Microsoft simply can't make good software at all anymore. Vendor lock and inertia are their biggest selling points.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Genuinely curious how quality is so poor at MS. Tech debt and deadlines and red tape? This is the company that invented the term dogfooding and forced everyone to use Exchange until all the bugs were worked out. I’m building a next gen web mail app at work and there are a ton of UX edge cases but the performance of the core UI is not rocket science. I’m looking for help play testing to squash bugs, improve the last m…

I clicked, saw this "The email app with its own AI agent" and closed. Another "Let's shove AI into something".

Outlook already provides me this, it's terrible at it since context is key and context is probably buried in several places it has access to and despite that access, it still falls flat.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Started a new job, with Windows 11. notepad.exe now takes 3 to 4 seconds to load on my work system... (even after closing the last tab and reopening the program). Hah, it even has in-app purchases, for AI writing...

That's nothing. He have Surface Pro laptops, and of course it has Copilot built in. I tried to open an app by typing in a search. On versions without Copilot turned on, instantly finds the app. On a Surface Pro, takes a good 20-30 seconds for it even start the search.

Complete rubbish. Not a single person in the organisation likes the new Outlook.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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new Google homepage takes [many] seconds to do what classic Google did instantly

Same with Gmail. On decent desktop with multi-hundred megabit connection. Frankly just amazing how poor things have gotten.

Yea, everyone is trashing on Outlook web while Gmail is over there doing same exact shit. Even worse, Gmail has never well integrated all its features. Apparently having easy access to my full calendar requires a new tab.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Calculator taking measurable seconds to load was the last straw for me for Windows 10. Exclusively Linux at home for a couple of years now, and there's a relatively steady stream of headlines to remind me of how good a decision it was to switch away.
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