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W Social, public institutions and the theater of European digital sovereignty

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Re: W Social, public institutions and the theater of European digital sovereignty

#11

Post by colesantiago »

jwr wrote: post #3

I don't understand why anyone would want to make the same mistake all over again: jumping onto a private platform owned by a company inevitably results in you becoming the product sold and enshittification. We've seen it so many times. Learn the lesson. Use Mastodon this time.

Nobody important or worth following uses Mastodon.

Also Mastodon is on the road to enshittification since the previous CEO and founder bowed out for $1M using donations and the main instance federates with Meta's Threads.

The other instances are out of the question since one rogue instance owner can lock and shutdown that instance.

Re: W Social, public institutions and the theater of European digital sovereignty

#12

Post by greenavocado »

jwr wrote: post #3

I don't understand why anyone would want to make the same mistake all over again: jumping onto a private platform owned by a company inevitably results in you becoming the product sold and enshittification. We've seen it so many times. Learn the lesson. Use Mastodon this time.

There is no lesson to be learned. There are billions of noobs. There is always a cow to milk, it seems.

Re: W Social, public institutions and the theater of European digital sovereignty

#13

Post by mort96 »

afavour wrote: post #9
jwr wrote: post #3

I don't understand why anyone would want to make the same mistake all over again: jumping onto a private platform owned by a company inevitably results in you becoming the product sold and enshittification. We've seen it so many times. Learn the lesson. Use Mastodon this time.

atproto is also open source and in my experience (solely as a user rather than a developer on the API/network) it simply works better than Mastodon.

And what is that experience of yours? Do you have experience from deployments with many independent atproto data servers and relays federating together?

Or do you have experience from bluesky, meaning you're only interacting with one central server and none of the complexities of federation come into play?

Re: W Social, public institutions and the theater of European digital sovereignty

#14

Post by Aachen »

colesantiago wrote: post #11
jwr wrote: post #3

I don't understand why anyone would want to make the same mistake all over again: jumping onto a private platform owned by a company inevitably results in you becoming the product sold and enshittification. We've seen it so many times. Learn the lesson. Use Mastodon this time.

Nobody important or worth following uses Mastodon. Also Mastodon is on the road to enshittification since the previous CEO and founder bowed out for $1M using donations and the main instance federates with Meta's Threads. The other instances are out of the question since one rogue instance owner can lock and shutdown that instance.

How can you know there's nobody worth following on Mastodon?

Re: W Social, public institutions and the theater of European digital sovereignty

#15

Post by tao_oat »

mort96 wrote: post #13
afavour wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

atproto is also open source and in my experience (solely as a user rather than a developer on the API/network) it simply works better than Mastodon.

And what is that experience of yours? Do you have experience from deployments with many independent atproto data servers and relays federating together? Or do you have experience from bluesky, meaning you're only interacting with one central server and none of the complexities of federation come into play?

If you use bsky.app, you still see posts from other servers (Blacksky, Eurosky, W Social, and so on). But yes, by the protocol's design you're primarily interacting with one central aggregator of everything (Bluesky's AppView).

Re: W Social, public institutions and the theater of European digital sovereignty

#16

Post by mglvsky »

jwr wrote: post #3

I don't understand why anyone would want to make the same mistake all over again: jumping onto a private platform owned by a company inevitably results in you becoming the product sold and enshittification. We've seen it so many times. Learn the lesson. Use Mastodon this time.

I'd go further - just leave social media

Re: W Social, public institutions and the theater of European digital sovereignty

#17

Post by oytis »

colesantiago wrote: post #11
jwr wrote: post #3

I don't understand why anyone would want to make the same mistake all over again: jumping onto a private platform owned by a company inevitably results in you becoming the product sold and enshittification. We've seen it so many times. Learn the lesson. Use Mastodon this time.

Nobody important or worth following uses Mastodon. Also Mastodon is on the road to enshittification since the previous CEO and founder bowed out for $1M using donations and the main instance federates with Meta's Threads. The other instances are out of the question since one rogue instance owner can lock and shutdown that instance.

Terry Tao, Bert Hubert, Michal Zalewski (lcamtuf), Bunny Huang are just a few in my feed. But Mastodon is more about peer-to-peer communication than celebrities farming engagement indeed.

No signs of enshittification either so far, barely any new features being added TBH

Re: W Social, public institutions and the theater of European digital sovereignty

#18

Post by bigfishrunning »

Aachen wrote: post #14
colesantiago wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody important or worth following uses Mastodon. Also Mastodon is on the road to enshittification since the previous CEO and founder bowed out for $1M using donations and the main instance federates with Meta's Threads. The other instances are out of the question since one rogue instance owner can lock and shutdown that instance.

How can you know there's nobody worth following on Mastodon?

I was on mastodon for a year, and the only people there were other dorks looking for someone to follow on mastodon

Re: W Social, public institutions and the theater of European digital sovereignty

#19

Post by jwr »

mglvsky wrote: post #16
jwr wrote: post #3

I don't understand why anyone would want to make the same mistake all over again: jumping onto a private platform owned by a company inevitably results in you becoming the product sold and enshittification. We've seen it so many times. Learn the lesson. Use Mastodon this time.

I'd go further - just leave social media

No, not necessarily. Mastodon is actually "social media", as opposed to twitter/X, bluewhatever, facebook, or any other commercial outlet, to be honest, all of these have become "feeds" of promoted content designed to maximize "engagement".

Mastodon is social: you follow people, you see their stuff. It's what social media used to be.

Re: W Social, public institutions and the theater of European digital sovereignty

#20

Post by jwr »

colesantiago wrote: post #11
jwr wrote: post #3

I don't understand why anyone would want to make the same mistake all over again: jumping onto a private platform owned by a company inevitably results in you becoming the product sold and enshittification. We've seen it so many times. Learn the lesson. Use Mastodon this time.

Nobody important or worth following uses Mastodon. Also Mastodon is on the road to enshittification since the previous CEO and founder bowed out for $1M using donations and the main instance federates with Meta's Threads. The other instances are out of the question since one rogue instance owner can lock and shutdown that instance.

I am quite happy with people I follow on Mastodon. Sure, various politicians might not be there, but those are not people I want to hear from.

The rest of your comment seems to be pure speculation, so.

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