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Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

#31
Outlook for Mac is surprisingly good, though. Every interaction feels (and is) native.

Kudos to the team. I think this is same team that maintains Office Suite for Mac.

I hope to see Teams for Mac in the future. Current Teams app is dogshit.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

#33
its faster to use an LLM + MCP (chatgpt or claude integration cloud integration) to search your email than to use the search field in the web browser now

its also possibly cheaper than the monthly licence fee for the desktop app suite

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

#35
post #8

> Outlook is based on WebView2, and like all web apps, it’s slow Fastmail also has a web based email client, which is as fast as (if not faster than) Outlook Classic. The new Outlook is just bad. Load order is wrong, it renders everything on every window, loads unnecessary data, etc. Plain annoying.

Sure seems like all this fancy Copilot coding help they have would've helped develop a better email client.

It is. Classic outlook didn't intermingle ads into your inbox. That feature alone makes new outlook much better.

Written on my windows phone 7 series 7

- Satya Nadella

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

#36
Genuinely curious how quality is so poor at MS. Tech debt and deadlines and red tape?

This is the company that invented the term dogfooding and forced everyone to use Exchange until all the bugs were worked out.

I’m building a next gen web mail app at work and there are a ton of UX edge cases but the performance of the core UI is not rocket science.

I’m looking for help play testing to squash bugs, improve the last mile of performance, and to add Outlook support.

https://housecat.com/

The incentive is the mail app is “malleable” so you can craft custom workflows and UI widgets to help you get to inbox zero.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

#37
post #16

> like all web apps, it’s slow No, that's a very uninformed take, and contradicted on two fronts: 1. Microsoft's other native apps have gotten unusably slow lately, too. 2. There's definitely plenty of fast web apps. I don't mind snark, but make it factually accurate. This is just Microsoft's poor strategic decision to try to drive as many as possible to Linux. Hell, weren't they bragging recently about managing to m…

Another way to say tenth of a second is 100,000,000 nanoseconds. We have 4GHz computers with 8-16 cores, and it takes 100,000,000 cycles to show the start menu? Edit: Corrected the scale factor.

Another way (which happens to be correct) to say tenth of a second is 100 000 000 (one hundred million) nanoseconds. You were off by a factor of 1000!

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

#38
microsoft is an amazing study in managed decline

that people still buy this, businesses still rely on their infrastructure, and their stock is somehow world-class is outstanding for the fact that its operating system can't do what middle school level coders can accomplish

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

#40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I heard excel guys say peak Excel was 2010. Where there any genuinely useful features Outlook 2016 had over 2010?

Mostly memory management and 64-bit support finally being on-par with the 32-bit versions, but it's hard to argue the nuance overall.

The switch to hardware-accelerated rendering was poor. It's still causing issues today. Is it the graphic drivers' fault or their poor implementation? Who knows, but they also disabled the switch that allowed to turn it off, which is just classic Microsoft being annoying.
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