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Re: DeepSeek Introduces Vision

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Post by SkyBelow »

ReptileMan wrote: post #28
epolanski wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to expand on why? Or did you forgot the /s at the end?

If everything goes to plan everyone involved with big US models will be trillionaire and everyone else will poor and unemployed. If there are open and cheap to run Chinese models (and please god silicon) the financial house of cards that we have build will fall, people involved with big US models will be poor and unemployed, and everyone else will be slightly less poor and unemployed than in the first scenario. What…

>and everyone else will poor and unemployed

How so? Everyone would still have their skills to provide goods and services and everyone would still have wants for other's goods and services, so an economy would still run. AI can shift the economy but it doesn't lock the entire population out of the economy. It can lock out any one group because everyone else gets the good/services of that group for cheaper from the AI, but if everyone else can't afford the AI, if the AI locks everyone out, then they trade between themselves instead. And that is the sort of 'worst case possible' outcome, not even what is likely to happen as the AI makes some things much cheaper.

Re: DeepSeek Introduces Vision

#102

Post by rob »

paulluuk wrote: post #38
jiehong wrote: post #26

For those not trying, this allows Deepseek to understand a picture (instead of just extracting text from it), and it can describe what's in the picture, but this is not an image generation system, so you can't ask it to modify an image. Personally, I'm a bit surprised the DS chat app still doesn't offer its own text to speech and speech to text features (I know DS doesn't have any ASR model for example, but there are…

Can you explain what the benefits are of actually "talking" with the bot instead of typing and reading? As someone who would rather send a slack message to a coworker rather than actually walking over and talk to them, the idea of having to talk with my laptop is not appealing at all, haha.

I hardly type at all now. I use Handy (free) with Parakeet and use its post-LLM processing feature with a custom prompt tailored towards coding, so I can say things like "Have it go to slash remote dash control" and it'll output "/remote-control". Converts brackets, etc.

Everything is almost instant, it's insanely fast, and lets me work on multiple different agents/windows at the same time fast with cmux.

I use the same thing to talk to people on Slack, iMessage, etc now when I'm working from home instead of typing.

I also can help articulate my thoughts better when I'm thinking them literally out loud instead of just sitting silent and typing them on a computer for hours.

It's just something that you need to try and get used to because I also thought it was something I wouldn't like at first.

Re: DeepSeek Introduces Vision

#103

Post by justech »

paulluuk wrote: post #38
jiehong wrote: post #26

For those not trying, this allows Deepseek to understand a picture (instead of just extracting text from it), and it can describe what's in the picture, but this is not an image generation system, so you can't ask it to modify an image. Personally, I'm a bit surprised the DS chat app still doesn't offer its own text to speech and speech to text features (I know DS doesn't have any ASR model for example, but there are…

Can you explain what the benefits are of actually "talking" with the bot instead of typing and reading? As someone who would rather send a slack message to a coworker rather than actually walking over and talk to them, the idea of having to talk with my laptop is not appealing at all, haha.

Faster, and that's it. If you don't need precision (like with prompting LLMs) the speed gain is massive (*for most people)

Re: DeepSeek Introduces Vision

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Post by SkyBelow »

Shank wrote: post #11
bjoli wrote: post #8

What has been going on with deepseek recently? I have gotten lots of replies in Chinese and even more frequently, reasoning in Chinese as well. Is it a new silent update?

Well, it is a Chinese model, maybe it thinks better in Chinese?

But why does it do so inconsistently, and sometimes even forgetting to swap back to English when it comes time to do 'normal' output? It also seems recent, as when I was using deepseek even a week ago this was very rare compared to what I was seeing yesterday. I had to start including a line asking it to stay to English because I can only speak/read English.

Re: DeepSeek Introduces Vision

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Post by hidelooktropic »

paulluuk wrote: post #38
jiehong wrote: post #26

For those not trying, this allows Deepseek to understand a picture (instead of just extracting text from it), and it can describe what's in the picture, but this is not an image generation system, so you can't ask it to modify an image. Personally, I'm a bit surprised the DS chat app still doesn't offer its own text to speech and speech to text features (I know DS doesn't have any ASR model for example, but there are…

Can you explain what the benefits are of actually "talking" with the bot instead of typing and reading? As someone who would rather send a slack message to a coworker rather than actually walking over and talk to them, the idea of having to talk with my laptop is not appealing at all, haha.

I can talk faster than I can type.

Re: DeepSeek Introduces Vision

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Post by WhitneyLand »

paulluuk wrote: post #38
jiehong wrote: post #26

For those not trying, this allows Deepseek to understand a picture (instead of just extracting text from it), and it can describe what's in the picture, but this is not an image generation system, so you can't ask it to modify an image. Personally, I'm a bit surprised the DS chat app still doesn't offer its own text to speech and speech to text features (I know DS doesn't have any ASR model for example, but there are…

Can you explain what the benefits are of actually "talking" with the bot instead of typing and reading? As someone who would rather send a slack message to a coworker rather than actually walking over and talk to them, the idea of having to talk with my laptop is not appealing at all, haha.

It’s crucial to use for driving/walking.

One problem has been ChatGpt/Claude apps don’t really do this well. They use weak and/or non-reasoning models for voice interaction and the UX is not optimized for hands free.

I wrote an iOS chatbot app mainly for this purpose for myself and family/friends. Allows starting/sending voice prompts with the action button so I never have to look at the screen. Supports any model at any reasoning level so conversations are not dumbed down. Added a video transcription tool so any model can “read” YouTube/Tiktok videos and chat about them. Great to discuss lectures on tech topics.

It takes slightly longer to use a reasoning model for voice interaction use but I prefer the intelligence. The latency can be minimized a few ways, bidirectional streaming helps. It’s TTS agnostic, I’ve got a few selectable providers and the output can be prompt styled “use a chill tone that’s not too eager”.

Re: DeepSeek Introduces Vision

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Post by limflick »

garblegarble wrote: post #91
itake wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am someone that prefers a slack message to a coworker than talking to them and I use AI. My current flow is: Google Eloquent to capture 127WPM (my typing is best case is 65wpm). This lets me get the thoughts out without thinking too much about structure or flow, the same way I would brain-dump type it. Next I use AI to compress, summarize, and restructure to create a clear coherent message for my peer to read (whic…

Slightly off-topic but: does it concern you that you're letting atrophy a very important skill for human communication (organising your thoughts and ideas, and then clearly communicating them to others)?

As someone who's still learning English, this is one thing I'd never use AI for, at least not in the near future, simply because thinking and structuring my thoughts before typing is the same as it is before speaking and actually talking to other people can't be outsourced to AI.

But I imagine if I'd been a native speaker I wouldn't mind using AI like OC does since it's a convenience. Same way I use a calculator for two digit multiplications in real life but spent years learning to do it manually in school.

Re: DeepSeek Introduces Vision

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Post by [deleted] »

cocoflunchy wrote: post #43
Razengan wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If so, would other models like ChatGPT benefit from translating the user's prompt to Chinese/Japanese and thinking in Hanzi/Kanji and then converting the response back to the user's language before displaying it?

I believe that most reasoning models actually think in their own "language" which is not really understandable by humans. The thinking traces that are shown in the UI are actually summaries generated by a smaller model in plain english (or user language). Sometimes this leaks through and you see some chinese/japanese characters in e.g. Claude's reasoning.

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Re: DeepSeek Introduces Vision

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Post by wolttam »

ForceBru wrote: post #89
cocoflunchy wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe that most reasoning models actually think in their own "language" which is not really understandable by humans. The thinking traces that are shown in the UI are actually summaries generated by a smaller model in plain english (or user language). Sometimes this leaks through and you see some chinese/japanese characters in e.g. Claude's reasoning.

Wait, this isn't real, is it? Is there actually an intermediate model that translates DeepSeek's thinking from its "alien language" into human languages? That's not actually the case, right? I thought "thinking" is literally the model generating additional text in a human language that shows its "thought process". It's added to the model's context, which helps it reason better because it now has this self-generated c…

The parent is off, you’re right. They may reason in any language, typically whatever the user’s language is, and you’ll see the reasoning directly with an open model like Deepseek.

Research only showed that thinking might be disconnected from the final output but in my experience they are very strongly correlated in recent models

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