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Re: DeepSeek Introduces Vision

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Post by garblegarble »

itake wrote: post #56
paulluuk wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain what the benefits are of actually "talking" with the bot instead of typing and reading? As someone who would rather send a slack message to a coworker rather than actually walking over and talk to them, the idea of having to talk with my laptop is not appealing at all, haha.

I am someone that prefers a slack message to a coworker than talking to them and I use AI. My current flow is: Google Eloquent to capture 127WPM (my typing is best case is 65wpm). This lets me get the thoughts out without thinking too much about structure or flow, the same way I would brain-dump type it. Next I use AI to compress, summarize, and restructure to create a clear coherent message for my peer to read (whic…

Slightly off-topic but: does it concern you that you're letting atrophy a very important skill for human communication (organising your thoughts and ideas, and then clearly communicating them to others)?

Re: DeepSeek Introduces Vision

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Post by calgoo »

dryarzeg wrote: post #59
cocoflunchy wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe that most reasoning models actually think in their own "language" which is not really understandable by humans. The thinking traces that are shown in the UI are actually summaries generated by a smaller model in plain english (or user language). Sometimes this leaks through and you see some chinese/japanese characters in e.g. Claude's reasoning.

As far as I'm aware, it's not true for models like DeepSeek or other Chinese open-weight models (at least those that I have seen); their reasoning traces are fully composed from some human language, be it English, Chinese or another one; by the way, most of them can adapt their reasoning based on user language, for example, if user speaks English the reasoning more likely will be in English. I think that for DeepSeek…

I have seen mixed language thinking from claude when i speak to it in english but we are discussing a product thats in spanish or searching amazon spain.

Re: DeepSeek Introduces Vision

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Post by NikolaNovak »

paulluuk wrote: post #38
jiehong wrote: post #26

For those not trying, this allows Deepseek to understand a picture (instead of just extracting text from it), and it can describe what's in the picture, but this is not an image generation system, so you can't ask it to modify an image. Personally, I'm a bit surprised the DS chat app still doesn't offer its own text to speech and speech to text features (I know DS doesn't have any ASR model for example, but there are…

Can you explain what the benefits are of actually "talking" with the bot instead of typing and reading? As someone who would rather send a slack message to a coworker rather than actually walking over and talk to them, the idea of having to talk with my laptop is not appealing at all, haha.

I type as fast as I talk so for majority of my LLM usage I don't need text to speech.

But I love the chatgpt voice interface e.g. on a long drive when I can use it to learn about random stuff (btw, turn advanced voice off for such usage).

Other part though is, hacker news vs regular population, majority of which would much much rather talk and listen than type and read.

Re: DeepSeek Introduces Vision

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Post by Gracana »

ForceBru wrote: post #89
cocoflunchy wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe that most reasoning models actually think in their own "language" which is not really understandable by humans. The thinking traces that are shown in the UI are actually summaries generated by a smaller model in plain english (or user language). Sometimes this leaks through and you see some chinese/japanese characters in e.g. Claude's reasoning.

Wait, this isn't real, is it? Is there actually an intermediate model that translates DeepSeek's thinking from its "alien language" into human languages? That's not actually the case, right? I thought "thinking" is literally the model generating additional text in a human language that shows its "thought process". It's added to the model's context, which helps it reason better because it now has this self-generated c…

You're right, it's just additional text that allows it to do thinking / reasoning-like behavior. The big proprietary models hide the real output from the user and instead provide a friendly abridged version, but that's just to protect their secret sauce from distillation.

Re: DeepSeek Introduces Vision

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Post by kingkongjaffa »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #93
paulluuk wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain what the benefits are of actually "talking" with the bot instead of typing and reading? As someone who would rather send a slack message to a coworker rather than actually walking over and talk to them, the idea of having to talk with my laptop is not appealing at all, haha.

I type as fast as I talk so for majority of my LLM usage I don't need text to speech. But I love the chatgpt voice interface e.g. on a long drive when I can use it to learn about random stuff (btw, turn advanced voice off for such usage). Other part though is, hacker news vs regular population, majority of which would much much rather talk and listen than type and read.

I like to talk (stt) but I don't want tts to talk back to me I just want to read the response. voice synthesis is a waste for me personally.

Re: DeepSeek Introduces Vision

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Post by testbjjl »

jiehong wrote: post #26

For those not trying, this allows Deepseek to understand a picture (instead of just extracting text from it), and it can describe what's in the picture, but this is not an image generation system, so you can't ask it to modify an image. Personally, I'm a bit surprised the DS chat app still doesn't offer its own text to speech and speech to text features (I know DS doesn't have any ASR model for example, but there are…

DeepSeek interpreting screenshots and images I send it at fractions of what I pay Claude and ChatGPT, for me, is of far higher priority than supporting dictation. There are workarounds for dictation but not image processing.

Re: DeepSeek Introduces Vision

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Post by mcbuilder »

ForceBru wrote: post #89
cocoflunchy wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe that most reasoning models actually think in their own "language" which is not really understandable by humans. The thinking traces that are shown in the UI are actually summaries generated by a smaller model in plain english (or user language). Sometimes this leaks through and you see some chinese/japanese characters in e.g. Claude's reasoning.

Wait, this isn't real, is it? Is there actually an intermediate model that translates DeepSeek's thinking from its "alien language" into human languages? That's not actually the case, right? I thought "thinking" is literally the model generating additional text in a human language that shows its "thought process". It's added to the model's context, which helps it reason better because it now has this self-generated c…

Yeah, it's actually the case. Researchers have shown that the models response doesn't always follow from the reasoning. Whether you consider that an internal language or not really depends on what you're speculating the neural network is doing. I think there was an Antropic paper on it.

Re: DeepSeek Introduces Vision

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Post by nlkkjhlkjsd »

andrewstuart wrote: post #17

OpenAI and Anthropic need to get this free foreign competition banned.

in other comments, you're arguing for banning deepseek because it is "against democratic capitalism." And here you are, arguing for governments to protect domestic companies against foreign competition.

Competition is a good thing sometimes. It forces companies to innovate.

Of course, organizations like ycombinator gave that up many years ago. Now our industry is mask-off about their desire to create monopolies so they can collect exorbitant rents.

Re: DeepSeek Introduces Vision

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Post by jamwil »

itake wrote: post #56
paulluuk wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain what the benefits are of actually "talking" with the bot instead of typing and reading? As someone who would rather send a slack message to a coworker rather than actually walking over and talk to them, the idea of having to talk with my laptop is not appealing at all, haha.

I am someone that prefers a slack message to a coworker than talking to them and I use AI. My current flow is: Google Eloquent to capture 127WPM (my typing is best case is 65wpm). This lets me get the thoughts out without thinking too much about structure or flow, the same way I would brain-dump type it. Next I use AI to compress, summarize, and restructure to create a clear coherent message for my peer to read (whic…

What did you do prior to 2023?

Re: DeepSeek Introduces Vision

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Post by KronisLV »

itake wrote: post #56
paulluuk wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain what the benefits are of actually "talking" with the bot instead of typing and reading? As someone who would rather send a slack message to a coworker rather than actually walking over and talk to them, the idea of having to talk with my laptop is not appealing at all, haha.

I am someone that prefers a slack message to a coworker than talking to them and I use AI. My current flow is: Google Eloquent to capture 127WPM (my typing is best case is 65wpm). This lets me get the thoughts out without thinking too much about structure or flow, the same way I would brain-dump type it. Next I use AI to compress, summarize, and restructure to create a clear coherent message for my peer to read (whic…

> It drives me crazy they can't be respectful of my time and use STT+AI to convert their 90 second monologue to a few written sentences.

I have used Whisper to transcribe audio into text in the past. You could probably build a pipeline for that, whether running locally or in the cloud - and the run the transcription through the same summarization agent.

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