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Re: U.S. science is in chaos

#841

US Science needed this. Racism, sexism, plagiarism, and fraud were rampant in the academic community. It's going to take a long time to fully fix the problem, but we are on the right path currently.

Idiotic sentiment. "I needed a tooth removed, but the Dentist removed all my teeth! Thats ok, technically he did fix the problem!"

Re: U.S. science is in chaos

#842

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I'm in Australia.

And do you meet other people who recently moved, or talking about moving there too ?

Quite a few Ozzies who were in the US (especially Bay Area) and have decided to move back, but so far no other people with no real connection.

Re: U.S. science is in chaos

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I can’t speak to this particular sector; however, I have found academics to lag 5-7y behind the realities of the business world I operate in. Business moves incredibly fast; academia, not so much.

If it’s constantly 5-7 years behind isn’t it moving at the same speed just with an offset?

If it's a constant offset like you say, and given academia publishes and industry often doesn't, that might suggest it's dependent on the rate of advancement in academic research. Not in this field so I may be wildly off.

Re: U.S. science is in chaos

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This administration is both fundamentally anti-science and wants to enforce political control over all government institutions. Science was never a particularly stable work environment, but the sheer insanity you have now makes it a deeply unattractive place. You have no idea if your grant might be denied, or even canceled at any point later by some political commissar that doesn't understand science. And it's not ju…

_Culture in Nazi Germany_ by Michael H Kater [0] talks about this too.

Adolf Hitler hated universities and their professors. So he took them over and appointed his supporters as the professors. Irony, he grew to hate those he put in place as the professors.

[0] https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctvfc542q

Re: U.S. science is in chaos

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That's foolish. There is certainly an amount of money on funding research that is unreasonable! Determining where that line should rest is an inherently political question. Determining who should get funding for that is also a political question. The latter question was able to be papered over for many years because the scientific community generally contained roughly equal members of both parties. Since that isn't t…

Like this from the article: > When Jenna Norton, a program director at the National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases (NIDDKD), first got to the NIH 12 years ago, she wanted to increase research into the social determinants of health—structural racism in home-loan practices meant that nonwhite people got iced out of home ownership and generational wealth, which forced them to live in neighborhoo…

Agree that asking for grants requires compromises.

However, this administration has made clear that there are no compromises to be had for projects that seek forbidden knowledge. Climate, for example, is not a subject that is permitted at all. It's not about how one asks, it's that we do not want to know the output of the research.

Re: U.S. science is in chaos

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Well China cant seem to make a single friend beyond North Korea and Russia. Everyone is a bit wary of them. I mean when the US replaced the Brits as Hegemon a large part of the world wasnt nervous about it.

God, this is depressing. I think it's difficult, if you're a millenial/zoomer/whatever we're calling these things, to understand just how much of the world genuinely liked and respected and wanted america involved in their local affairs. America obviously wasn't perfect and many, many more people than trump were involved with squandering all of this goodwill, but we still had some left over before he showed up.

Its not a static system. Things will swing back and forth like a pendulum. And through those oscillation we move forward. Diff today is everyone is getting their heads filled 24x7 with a whole lot of info their grandparents never had to digest about how the system moves.

Re: U.S. science is in chaos

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So now we just require them to pledge allegiance to Trump instead.

No, there is no such requirement.

There is, they just hide it behind things like "Do you believe a president can have more than 2 terms?"

Re: U.S. science is in chaos

#848
Chaos is putting it mildly. It's on the verge of non-existence. Can't have infrastructure nor propensities for investigating truths when the administration's most vital interest is the ability to tell lies about anything and everything.

Re: U.S. science is in chaos

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"Academic experience typically doesn't count." Why not?

I can’t speak to this particular sector; however, I have found academics to lag 5-7y behind the realities of the business world I operate in. Business moves incredibly fast; academia, not so much.

That may depend on the field. My experience (in bioinformatics method development) is that people in the industry can't afford to work on state-of-the-art problems. But once a problem has become established and it's important enough to be worth their time, they will eventually come up with a better solution due to their superior resources.

Re: U.S. science is in chaos

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Canada, Europe, China.

How much is this actually happening? I've heard plenty of anecdotes, but the net migration flows haven't changed much. British Columbia did a big push to bring in American medical staff, and have only had a couple hundred move so far. Compare that to the number of Canadians moving south on TN visas, and I'm not sure it's significant. I am saying this as someone who pursued Canadian citizenship by descent and moved to…

> How much is this actually happening?

It isn't. At least, not in the way being portrayed. The people going back to China were already from China, and the people returning to Europe are largely from there as well.

The dirty little secret of US academic research is that it became almost entirely dependent on Chinese labor over the past 30 years, and that's reversing a little bit.

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