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Re: Midjourney Medical

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Post by nihonde »

lonely_wanderer wrote: post #112
nihonde wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"What possible use could there be for doing this?" I've encountered this attitude before, and I always find it perplexing that there are people who are annoyed by, even hostile to, the idea of frequent health telemetry. What possible use? How about giving people greater visibility inside their own bodies without having to navigate the labyrinth of the healthcare machine and without having to justify themselves to act…

A counter point: a fixation on medical diagnoses can be counterproductive to living a good, happy, and healthy life. My implication is that data will lead to self-diagnosis, when maybe it’s not necessary. There’s a reason most people don’t get medical scans every checkup, they’re simply not necessary for the majority of (healthy) people.

In Japan, the government gives everyone a battery of full body tests at least once per year. I guess you know better than Japan, right?

The whole argument that "you'll worry yourself sick" is such patronizing trash. It's obviously programming that came from the insurance industry, and you lapped it right up.

Re: Midjourney Medical

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Post by kelseyfrog »

dumbmrblah wrote: post #128
verandaguy wrote: post #4

I'm sorry, a billion full-body scans a month? For what possible reasons? Are people going to be doing these things recreationally? Cause otherwise you're talking about scanning the entire world's population, including the very young, the very old, the mobility-impaired, and those without easy access to US-based facilities (i.e.... people who are part of the small fraction of the global population who do not live in t…

Who reads these scans and who assume liabilities for missed reads?

AI[no one]. The customer.

Re: Midjourney Medical

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Post by Jtsummers »

danpalmer wrote: post #15

The scans take 60 seconds, but at their stated numbers each machine would need to do a scan every 30 seconds 24/7. At this point I stopped reading because I don't have time to parse slop.

Well, the math is the other way. If you assume a 30 day month, you have 2,592,000 seconds each month to perform scans in. With 1,000,000,000 target scans and 50,000 machines, that's 20,000 scans per month per machine.

2,592,000 seconds / 20,000 scans = 129.6 seconds/scan

If you really hate your customers and don't care about cleaning out the tanks between scans, you could make this work. They have to be either able bodied to be able to move in and out quickly enough, or if they're not you just toss them unceremoniously onto the platform and drag them off after.

Re: Midjourney Medical

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Post by klausa »

nihonde wrote: post #141
lonely_wanderer wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A counter point: a fixation on medical diagnoses can be counterproductive to living a good, happy, and healthy life. My implication is that data will lead to self-diagnosis, when maybe it’s not necessary. There’s a reason most people don’t get medical scans every checkup, they’re simply not necessary for the majority of (healthy) people.

In Japan, the government gives everyone a battery of full body tests at least once per year. I guess you know better than Japan, right? The whole argument that "you'll worry yourself sick" is such patronizing trash. It's obviously programming that came from the insurance industry, and you lapped it right up.

There's a world of difference between the health checkups we get in Japan, and something like a full-body MRI/CT.

You're not arguing in good faith when you equate those.

Re: Midjourney Medical

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Post by Aurornis »

> enough to give regular, monthly scans to a billion people.

There is a part of me that thinks it would be cool to get cheap full body scans. I like being able to see inside of myself. I can think of a lot of situations where the low-fidelity images coming out of this (they're not good compared to real medical imaging, if you've ever looking at MRI/CT up close) could be useful for coarse analysis of certain conditions that come and go or need to be monitored over long periods of time.

What I don't like is the idea of getting people to do full body scans every month just to be safe. This might sound like a good idea if you haven't looked at the literature on preventative full body imaging. Looking for bad things inside the body sounds like a great idea on the surface.

The problem is that imaging, especially when it's as rough as these ultrasounds, and possibly worse when augmented by AI guessing at what it's seeing, can lead to a lot of unnecessary procedures. The net effect can even become more harmful than the number of real problems it catches. There's a long history of research on this as many companies have tried to commercialize full-body scanning in the past. It frequently leads to situations where there's an unknown or ambiguous spot on the imaging that the person reading the scan can't rule out, which turns into a lot of anxiety and eventually more imaging, biopsies, or unnecessary surgeries. It's easy to think "better safe than sorry" until you realize how often these benign but ambiguous findings show up on full body imaging.

So my initial thoughts on this are that it would be good to make cheap ultrasonic imaging accessible as an as-needed service to use for specific conditions. I do not think it's a good idea to go down the road of trying to scan the entire population once a month and then run it through AI to see if anything pops up. The number of false positives would be overwhelming and lead to a lot of unnecessary procedures to calm the resulting anxieties.

Re: Midjourney Medical

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Post by jdw64 »

ajyoon wrote: post #126
jdw64 wrote: post #39

Why is everyone so negative about this? Getting a CT or X-ray and then having AI do early screening on cases that doctors can pass along doesn't seem like a bad idea to me.

People are responding negatively to what looks very much like vaporware from a company stepping way outside its domain into medical imaging with a bizarrely positioned announcement post. Medical imaging is a very active field of research with many brilliant minds working on it. If this were truly an MRI killer, they would not be announcing it as a spa.

After reading to what you said and thinking about it seriously, I do think there were some parts that were too unrealistic. I considered a few things, such as whether the cost of data transmission during streaming, that is, the cost of constructing an entire human body from this single slice, is actually reasonable. Thanks for your comment.

Re: Midjourney Medical

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Post by bandrami »

jawns wrote: post #97
themantalope wrote: post #34

radiologist here - example images don't look great

I'm scratching my head about why they would venture into an entirely different field like this, one with tremendous regulatory hurdles, if they know (and surely they must know) that radiologists are going to pan the results. It's like if LeBron announced he was switching to bowling and was going to revolutionize the sport, then rolled a gutter ball.

I mean, Michael Jordan did play for the White Sox for a hot second

Re: Midjourney Medical

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Post by kelseyfrog »

Paracompact wrote: post #87
tptacek wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really not OK to victimize the rich like this either.

Rich people have a phobia of death, unlike the rest of us for whom depression, disease, and injustice have really removed the sting of death and turned it more into "eh, if it happens it happens." So worry not: The rich wasting their money on biohacking fads are not being scammed, they are being consoled.

Isn't therapy or enlightenment ultimately cheaper?
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