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Volkswagen started blocking GrapheneOS users

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Post by 1bpp »

altairprime wrote: post #211
doublerabbit wrote: post #203

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Make the installer KISS. Linux installation still host the realm of complex verbose jargon. "Starting anaconda", "Enable Kdump", on anything RedHat. Debian spews an ancient terminal window of options upon options and who knows how to install Arch. Linux installations has never been click, click go. Installation wizards are still designed for the tech enabled and not the common user. We have a helicopter on Mars yet t…

> We have a helicopter on Mars yet they still can't master a installation wizard. Unexpectedly, the 'bootable thumb drive' models are actually pretty great — not the installers, but the ones that boot straight into a GUI that works and is usable. I haven't used one as my personal Linux uses predated thumb drives, but I have always (mistakenly?) assumed that once you're booted into a liveCD, you can click 'Install on…

Not really, that is essentially the experience I've always had installing different distros from a live USB; it's mostly just seamless if you're not doing anything weird.

Re: Volkswagen started blocking GrapheneOS users

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Post by techpression »

martin_a wrote: post #320
techpression wrote: post #75

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Whoever came up with the idea that the car should beep loudly even close to the speed limit has clearly never driven a car. The best way to silence it is to constantly be over the speed limit or well below.

Well, just don't drive fast than the speed limit and nothing will beep at you. Simple as that. Positive side effect: No expensive photos will be taken, too.

Yes, let’s make people focus less on the road and instead worrying about 1km/h speeding. And where I live expensive photos are only taken way way later than the car starts beeping. It’s the real life equivalent of the cookie banner.

Re: Volkswagen started blocking GrapheneOS users

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Post by m463 »

Gigachad wrote: post #311
winstonp wrote: post #243

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Car apps, beside Tesla, are universally awful to use. Even Tesla's is not beyond reproach (app size is massive, for one), but at least it doesn't make me want to poke my eyes out. Apple should make a "Cars" app that's like the "Watch" app and let them standardize.

Why does a car even need an app? Don't they have a screen and internet connection on the car itself?

tesla is worse and starts from zero - you can't buy a tesla without installing the app.

Re: Volkswagen started blocking GrapheneOS users

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Post by Borealid »

tryauuum wrote: post #282
Borealid wrote: post #224

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The state of the art, "xray-reality", is not blockable. It's a legit tls connection with data smuggled inside it.

Are you taking from the experience that this is not blockeable in Russia? EDIT: I might be confusing vless/xray/reality but seems like there are no problems to block it based on ip reputation + tls fingerprint + amount of connections https://habr.com/ru/articles/1044396/ Of course this would block some valid websites but when has government cared about that

The IPs are Cloudflare, the TLS fingerprint is uTLS Chrome, and the number of connections with xhttp is the same as your normal browsing.

If you are willing to block browsing all ordinary web sites fronted with a CDN, then yes you can block reality/xhttp. You cannot, however, differentially block it via any of the three things you mentioned.

Re: Volkswagen started blocking GrapheneOS users

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Post by J-Kuhn »

riedel wrote: post #130
OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #77

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VW is obviously not thinking that any noticable portion of the userbase uses Graphene, and someone (somewhere) is going to get a promo by making VW infra adhere to "standards" or something

Actually we need to force our European governments to use services that do not depend on foreign services (ie. Google or Apple). Then I guess it will only then become obvious to them how crazy the situation has become. The company's have done their thing to ensure that the average guy wouldn't even try escaping their lock-in. So chances are becoming smaller and smaller to hope for a critical mass of users to complain…

Yes, the EU calls it "digital sovereignty" and is currently "in" with the EU.

Re: Volkswagen started blocking GrapheneOS users

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Post by _carbyau_ »

aka13_404 wrote: post #31

This is sadly not even the full extent of it. What they did is, they locked their api entirely for anything that is not play protect certified. That means, all the cool stuff that was doable via community-driven projects is now dead in the water. The "app" they provide is 60% advertisement, 30% features, and I unironically preferred using a Home Assistant connection instead of of it for everything. Even for automatio…

It hurts anytime there is a subscription intermediary and people are being trained to think this should be the case.

Iroh networking can't become a standard fast enough.

https://www.iroh.computer/

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Post by kolmogorov »

isoprophlex wrote: post #139
abyssin wrote: post #99

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2022 Dacia Sandero is a great car. Analog buttons, good build quality, well designed. And it’s cheap.

Possibly the single ugliest recent car though

looks completely generic. I googled it expecting a new Fiat Multipla or Chrysler PT Cruiser and I was disappointed.

Re: Volkswagen started blocking GrapheneOS users

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Post by noisy_boy »

anonymousiam wrote: post #340
okanat wrote: post #223

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You're proving the previous commenter's point. VW doesn't want liability. They do not care about "security" just liability. When they leave the "security" to the platform they can blame them in a lawsuit.

Google has a pretty good legal team. Their developer ToS that absolves them of any sort of liability for anything. So this means VW is just being lazy and not seeking legal protection. https://play.google/developer-distribution-agreement.html

> VW is just being lazy

Maybe they rather be lazy and be able to shift blame, even without much legal recourse.

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Post by hparadiz »

Loranubi wrote: post #334
hparadiz wrote: post #303

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Germans will talk a lot about data privacy but then do stuff like this regularly.

One is people one is companies.

It sends very weird signals when the EU will fine an American company over some data moving in a direction they don't like while at the same time EU governments will allow home grown companies to de facto force people into using products from those same American companies all while lecturing us about duopolies and privacy only to re-enforce those same problematic patterns. It is absurd.
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