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Re: U.S. science is in chaos

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A person who’s been told all the people doing the science look down on them. Partially true, too, based on how I’ve heard people talk about ”dumb redneck trump voters”

That's a form of collective punishment that rewards their stigma. It would be like revoking tax breaks for farmers because you dislike rural American voters.

I've actually heard suggestions to do that, at least.

Re: U.S. science is in chaos

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The replication crisis in science is particularly bad within the social sciences, and also particularly bad within sociology. When experts within a field are unable to converge on a result, it's pretty decent evidence that the field has a major problem. And for sociology, the problem isn't that the math is too hard, it's that the practice of sociology is pretty much a political exercise masquerading as science.

> The replication crisis in science is particularly bad within the social sciences This is true. Your conclusion is false and prejudicial. The problem is better characterized as social science is being harder to do well than we tohught.

> > And for sociology, the problem isn't that the math is too hard, it's that the practice of sociology is pretty much a political exercise masquerading as science.

> The problem is better characterized as social science is being harder to do well than we tohught.

And the thing that makes it had to do well is that it's easy to know ahead of time what experimental result will best favor your existing beliefs.

Re: U.S. science is in chaos

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Americans voted to bring the country back to the 1950's and the plan is working perfectly

The fifties are when a lot of this infrastructure got its start. They want the 1850s.

1850s was the beginning of the railroad boom. You're thinking 1750s.

Re: U.S. science is in chaos

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I know a ton of people who would love to get their Phd. When they can't make it work but see graduate programs heavily populated by foreign students (who may or may not stay) funded by (what they see as) their tax dollars, some become resentful. That's a pretty normal human reaction, not a uniquely white or American one. Understanding human realities and optics might have helped here. But instead you chose 'white peo…

Well why Americans are not willing to take those PhD offers that pay barely above poverty line for 5 years or so? The answer is obvious, they would rather take a job in industry that pays miles better. There is really no reason to be resentful because it is a voluntary choice, and foreign students are worse off in every aspect to start with. Leaving friends & family behind, travel often involves long-haul flights, di…

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Re: U.S. science is in chaos

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I think this is an offensive and self fulfilling view. Americans are too dumb to do science so we need to rely almost entirely on foreigners from almost entirely the same two countries to do it for us. There's lots of holes in this scheme. I don't really want politicians to control funding for science but then again we've become somewhat of a degree mill and there's a lot of useless careerism in academia. I will give…

R&D is hit or miss. And a lot will miss. It's really no different from the VC model where 90% of their startups will fail but the 10% that succeed will make up for the rest. Pointing out a few examples that didn't go anywhere is a meaningless argument. You need to look at it holistically.

I am not arguing that all R&D must succeed. That's hugely different from someone who deliberately builds obscure nonsense and masks it behind publications and tenure. What you're saying is there is no waste in academia. If anyone questions the merits of some research, they are anti-science. I think people who think academia is a bastion of science would be disappointed with the reality.

Re: U.S. science is in chaos

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US Science needed this. Racism, sexism, plagiarism, and fraud were rampant in the academic community. It's going to take a long time to fully fix the problem, but we are on the right path currently.

No it did not, and even if there was a correction needed, this most certainly is not that correction.

President of stanford was fired over fraudulent research if that's not rampant then what is?

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russia: brain drain usa: brain drain where is everybody going ?

I'm in Australia.

For anyone thinking of migrating to Australia, please add to your considerations the increasing groundswell of conservatism and support for anti-immigration and the very recent proclamations of anti-multiculturalism of the newly popular One Nation party:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Y2wzmKHEU

The next federal election will be interesting as to the direction the Australian public wants to take the country, but it's not due until May 2028.

So either get in before then, or wait until afterwards to gauge your expectations of being welcome.

Having said that, the current Government (less conservative) won the May 2025 Federal election bigly (but maybe not quite a landslide) with 93 seats over the next most popular party at 43 seats, out of a total of 150 seats.

Re: U.S. science is in chaos

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It's only a religious topic to climate change denialists.

Not only that but with somewhat less fervor those having fairly strong faith in superstition really add up after a while too.

Combine both and it can be the most bizarre trend in non-cognizance that many have ever seen.

Very often displayed by those who wouldn't recognize the difference between a CO2 spectrum and the brain scan of an accurately diagnosed mentally deficient patient.

Some conditions you just can't fix.

Regardless it makes you wonder what kind of medication some people are on, and if they took too much even if it was to no avail.

Re: U.S. science is in chaos

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Those were all ultimately for profit companies. You can only get so far with basic science if some bean counter is looking for a return on investment in the near future. What those companies did is notable, but I think you are overselling their contributions to science. We've gotten way more scientific advancement from publicly funded science. There are private companies allowed to do R&D all over the world. Publicly…

I’ve seen it claimed that higher taxes on corporate profits incentivized that lab model. Better to invest in risky research than have that money taxed away. When the regulatory environment changed, shareholders insisted they should get that money through dividends and stock buybacks, and goodbye Bell Labs. I don’t know how accurate that argument is, but it certainly sounds plausible.

Sounds like this is what's still done in last decade Amazon who didn't report profit for so long. Though it's also stopped by another regulatory change that no longer regards S&W dev as R&D for tax purposes, but I don't remember the name.
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