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Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Isnt the situation sui generis?

No, it is not. This is the entire thing about the rule of law. People constantly think their pet thing is sui generis. But actually the even handed application of the rule of law is a general good.

Argue with Anthropic, Amazon, and the NSA. They all say it is.

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Ah the good old “stop resisting” falacy

If you re-read my comment, I am not saying that. It seems to be observably true that expressing opinions critical of the administration, even about one's own business, leads to further harm from government right now in the U.S. in a country which is supposed to have strong freedom of speech rights. It's obviously unfortunate that this is the case. It's also a shame that this is happening when the folks regulating AI…

I think you are misreading this situation. The Musk-Thiel cluster, of which David Sacks is a major member, is one of the main groups trying to destroy the rule of law and turn the US into a personalist regime. They are doing this because they think they'll be major beneficiaries of the new regime. As they see it, the long term success of the US, ie the rule of law, is against their personal interests.

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> They were asking for regulation. That's what they said, but were they, really? I've heard others call it a marketing ploy that AI companies keep coming back to-- the idea that "it's soooo dangerous, we have to be careful".

> That's what they said, but were they, really? Yes, most likely, but not in this form, obviously. They want open weight models regulated for regulatory capture, and I'd assume they want an actually documented framework applied equally across all labs. If GPT5.5 has the same capabilities Fable did, then for consistency sake, it should have also been subject to this ban. Regulate or not regulate, but the government sh…

  > Regulate or not regulate, but the government should not pick winners and losers.
Indeed, it has been very clear since Jan 20 2025 that our executive branch of government is not a rational actor. I don't expect them to make the right decision about anything.

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Regulation is a published rule applied equally to all the industry. Not one applied to a target for retribution or to extract submission

Applying equally to all the industry is a characteristic of good regulation, not of regulation tout court .

Arbitrary enforcement of a regulations is against the principles of administrative law and gives rise to a cause of action that can set aside the governments action. So all regulation has that as an explicit assumption.

There is also a case that it violates due process because anthropic wasn’t provided adequate notice before enforcement or an opportunity to challenge, respond, or take steps to comply.

There is latitude for compelling state interests and national security is one with the widest latitude and potentially one that counts can’t review. But the court of public opinion may draw the inference that this is direct retaliation for refusing to make the models available for autonomous weapons and spying.

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Remember arbitrary application of law expands and affects everyone. You will be affected. The advantage of the rule of law is the equal application to everyone.

Isnt the situation sui generis?

The government has an affirmative obligation to show why it is unique then.

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No, it is not. This is the entire thing about the rule of law. People constantly think their pet thing is sui generis. But actually the even handed application of the rule of law is a general good.

Argue with Anthropic, Amazon, and the NSA. They all say it is.

The burden is not on them to show that. It’s on the government to show why the restriction is necessary to achieve a compelling public interest.

I’ll make them argue that when you get Sam Altman to admit he lost the lead to anthropic

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Okay, so why are other models not banned too? This "jailbreak" works for them as well.

How would you know? Amazon and the NSA thought it was a problem, but you know better?

Know what better? They told us what the "jailbreak" entails.

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Anthropic sowing: Hehe yeah guys check out this model it's super duper scary and powerful it's a huge deal Anthropic reaping: Hey wait a second you weren't supposed to take that seriously it was just marketing :(

Was it not just a few weeks ago the government was telling Anthropic to take the guardrails off of the "super duper scary" models? Now they want them back on? AI for me and not for thee? Or just another opportunity for a petulant administration to target Anthropic for not doing what they wanted the first time?

>AI for me and not for thee

100%, I mean we already have Mythos vs Fable

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Anthropic sowing: Hehe yeah guys check out this model it's super duper scary and powerful it's a huge deal Anthropic reaping: Hey wait a second you weren't supposed to take that seriously it was just marketing :(

It can both be true that models at Fable capability level are national security concerns while Anthropic is being hypocritical. If the Trump admin is also willing to apply the same scrutiny to GPT-5.6 and other Fable-level models, I think it is a good thing. But given the admin's history with Anthropic (such as declaring it a supply chain risk while ignoring Chinese labs), there is some smell of targeting.

I'm not saying they're hypocritical. I'm saying that this would be far less likely to have happened had they not advertised its power by bringing up its danger.

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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> We’re proposing stronger regulation of the technology. We’re proposing giving the government the ability to, again in a narrow way, block deployment of unsafe technology. Anthropic CEO https://abc7.com/post/anthropic-ceo-dario-amodei-calls-stron...

Okay, so why are other models not banned too? This "jailbreak" works for them as well.

Anthropic has alleged that this model is much more dangerous than other currently available models. Their CEO has said so publicly multiple times. It's like asking why cesium isn't banned if nuclear missiles are banned.

(whether Mythos is actually that dangerous is beside the point; considering that Anthropic claims that it is, it makes sense to regulate it)

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