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Re: U.S. science is in chaos

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I work at a research lab that was previously supported by an R01 grant that did not get renewed last year. It’s been tough and the staff (including me) have been moved to part-time employment. However, it also made us put ourselves out there and fundraise, which led to new connections and new opportunities. So yes, it’s been chaotic, but like Petyr Baelish says, chaos is a ladder.

Petyr Baelish got stabbed to death while on his ladder, I don’t think that’s a good analogy

It’s a fine analogy and you’re just showing off your game of thrones knowledge.

Re: U.S. science is in chaos

#544

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> Conservatives have been basically purged from academia over the last 30 years, Any citations on this?

Sure https://www.aei.org/articles/partisan-professors/ I'd be shocked to find anyone surprised by this.

I don't think there is surprise that higher learning is associated with progressivism. I think the surprise is that someone believes its indicative of a giant conspiracy to exile conservative professors.

Re: U.S. science is in chaos

#545

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see that happening. The US debt will hinder any big expense that could keep it in any game long term. Take AI for instance. The US grid is struggling to keep up with demand, while Chinese one has a lot of headway [1]. Usually, this could be solved by an increase in spending lasting a few years which would make the debt tick up, but that would've been an absolutely fine use of debt since it buys some shiny new…

> Take AI for instance. The US grid is struggling to keep up with demand, while Chinese one has a lot of headway [1]. Usually, this could be solved by an increase in spending lasting a few years which would make the debt tick up, but that would've been an absolutely fine use of debt since it buys some shiny new infra that will pay dividends for the next 20ish years. I object. The CCP is much more deeply indebted than…

> high debt > Use Total Debt

I never seen that metric used anywhere else aside China

Re: U.S. science is in chaos

#546
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The better question is: Why is it that when republicans hear the word "racism" they immediately think people are talking about them? Are they afraid of what research on racism will show?

No that's a more partisan one, and is exactly the sort of thing OP was arguing against. If you want broad based support for research funding you will necessarily need support from a lot of people you personally find distasteful. You can either try to appeal to people across the spectrum and keep bipartisan support, or label half the country racist and deal with the resulting backlash. As someone who hates the current…

> or label half the country racist and deal with the resulting backlash.

This is an unfair characterization, and frankly, is baseless political rhetoric. Incredible propaganda job moneyed interests have performed in order to convince the right wing that any research that asks probing questions about equity automatically implies anyone white and conservative is “racist”.

My favorite research that falls into this category concerns the effects of nuclear weapons testing on the lands and livelihoods of indigenous peoples. Clearly, nakedly something that anyone with a decent moral compass would give a shit about, but pulled under the umbrella of DEI because empathy is dead.

Re: U.S. science is in chaos

#547
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Where do you go if you’re looking to leave the US with family and you only speak English?

To the beach. To relax. Don’t become a burden on other countries. Learn the language first if you really must move.

Edit: Interesting how controversial my take seems to be. I’ve seen votes on this post go up and down multiple times. Why only vote? Reply!

Re: U.S. science is in chaos

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post #542

Where do you go if you’re looking to leave the US with family and you only speak English?

Complicated question... Do you have marketable skills that could land you a job in demand with a visa? Or sufficient savings to "buy" residency somewhere?

Re: U.S. science is in chaos

#550

> But arbitrary cancellations and delayed disbursements are unprecedented. And justifying them on the basis of politics—prohibiting, for instance, grants that include language referencing diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI)—was unheard of until now. It is odd how removal of DEI is framed as being political, when it is the other way round. DEI schemes were deeply political, and depended on who can claim to be the bi…

I don't think requiring prospective hires to write a DEI statement is equally as political as illegally cancelling already funded and approved research into e.g. racial disparities in maternal mortality, or health equity gaps for rural Americans (yes, it's DEI even if it's for predominantly white people).

It's not just research into things like that. As I mentioned elsewhere, one of the researchers in my department had a study canceled because something they did "engendered a robust hemodynamic response". Someone replied saying theirs was canceled for "mineral inclusion". There are thousands of things like this. It's not about DEI, it's about getting rid of science, because science is at odds with their view of the US.
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