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Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Is regulation unregulated in the US? As in it’s missing consistency and transparency. Beyond Anthropic, the US signals to the world that depending and using American solutions is high risk. Is that what the US government desires? The digital battleground across regions is on the rise. I don’t see us as the US on the right path.

> I don’t see us as the US on the right path.

I think this can be said in many contexts these days.

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post #71

Is regulation unregulated in the US? As in it’s missing consistency and transparency. Beyond Anthropic, the US signals to the world that depending and using American solutions is high risk. Is that what the US government desires? The digital battleground across regions is on the rise. I don’t see us as the US on the right path.

So far the other countries are doing a lot of talking and big government initiatives but nothing has really changed. All the best talent still moves to the US, all the VCs are still unimaginative losers who want 5 meetings to give you $50K, the industry titans are still sclerotic and unable to distinguish their head from their ass, the culture doesn't support risk-taking or innovation. The biggest boom of the next 10 years is AI and it is firmly HQ'ed and centred in the US, as usual. The EU had a predecessor to the Chips Act in 2013 [1] that went nowhere, then a Chips Act that went nowhere, and now a Chips Act 2.0! It would be great to have more options but it doesn't seem like other regions outside China are capable of doing anything at all.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqoX9OIR-DI

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They did a whole PR cycle about how dangerous their technology was. They refused to release it for public consumption. How is this “targeting”? It’s literally what was requested.

They were asking for regulation. They were not asking to be singled out and prevented from releasing newer models while everybody else keeps going as usual. Based on the reasoning for blocking Fable, every current model should be blocked. GPT 5.5 is similarly strong and has fewer guardrails, for example.

I don't know. I have heard from reliable source - aka the CEO of antrhopic that Mythos is in league of its own. And that the rest are grossly inferior. Anthropic can't have it both ways. If they are special - only them should fall under regulations. If they are not - why have you committed fraud in the last couple of months right before your IPO saying otherwise.

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> They were asking for regulation. That's what they said, but were they, really? I've heard others call it a marketing ploy that AI companies keep coming back to-- the idea that "it's soooo dangerous, we have to be careful".

I can't see into their heads, and I also don't think it matters whether they were making a good-faith argument or lying through their teeth. The fact remains that what is currently happening is not what Anthropic asked for.

When the Gods wish to punish us, they answer our prayers

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None of the best minds in AI Research are from the United States. We would not be were we are without the work of foreign scientists. There are more STEM students in China than we have students in the United States, and those universities don't give out automatic As like we do here in the United States.

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post #71

Is regulation unregulated in the US? As in it’s missing consistency and transparency. Beyond Anthropic, the US signals to the world that depending and using American solutions is high risk. Is that what the US government desires? The digital battleground across regions is on the rise. I don’t see us as the US on the right path.

Unfortunately, in the USA, we are stuck with two parties. Measured along axes of competence and capability of taking action: The (D) party is competent+incapable, and the (R) party is incompetent+capable. So every four years we get to choose between governance that knows what it is doing but too paralyzed to act, and governance that doesn't know what it is doing but acts with impunity.

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> Is regulation unregulated in the US? As in it’s missing consistency and transparency. Institutions are not built around zero trust. Because when we assume attackers are identifiable, and there is some level of integrity, that makes things a lot simpler and cheaper. I will not expect my pediatrician to want to kill my child and they certainly could, but it would be completely bonkers to try to guard against that. Th…

Actually, the traditional guardrails we've always had are plenty. If a doctor starts trying to kill patients they are removed from society (they go to jail for a long time). Traditionally this was applied to people in power with the power of a good old fashioned lynch mob. If you obtain great power and use it to start hurting large numbers of people, the citizenry at large would drag that person out into the street a…

> Problem is now that those in power have managed to convince large fractions of the population that it's wrong to say mean things about sociopathic mass murderers and child rapists or the guy who is actively trying to kill you personally.

Actually, civil societies granted a monopoly on violence to the government which vests that in police and military. It’s a far better system than random justice because it’s predictable and you know upfront what’ll trigger it.

That system had its flaws, but despite that it was working pretty well until those flaws were found and exploited allowing it to be captured.

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Remember arbitrary application of law expands and affects everyone. You will be affected. The advantage of the rule of law is the equal application to everyone.

Isnt the situation sui generis?

No, it is not. This is the entire thing about the rule of law. People constantly think their pet thing is sui generis. But actually the even handed application of the rule of law is a general good.

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is regulation unregulated in the US? As in it’s missing consistency and transparency. Institutions are not built around zero trust. Because when we assume attackers are identifiable, and there is some level of integrity, that makes things a lot simpler and cheaper. I will not expect my pediatrician to want to kill my child and they certainly could, but it would be completely bonkers to try to guard against that. Th…

Actually, the traditional guardrails we've always had are plenty. If a doctor starts trying to kill patients they are removed from society (they go to jail for a long time). Traditionally this was applied to people in power with the power of a good old fashioned lynch mob. If you obtain great power and use it to start hurting large numbers of people, the citizenry at large would drag that person out into the street a…

> If a doctor starts trying to kill patients they are removed from society (they go to jail for a long time).

Unfortunately we don't seem to have the ability to do the same for corporations. If a person starts killing or robbing people, they get arrested and are removed from society. If a corporation starts killing or robbing people, they maybe get a strongly worded letter, maybe have their CEO say a few words in front of Congress, and maybe get a token fine amounting to 0.001% of their revenue (which they will appeal for ten years). But for whatever reason, we don't seem to have the guts to remove a badly behaving corporation from society--no matter what heinous things they are doing, no matter what laws they are breaking.

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