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Volkswagen started blocking GrapheneOS users

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Re: Volkswagen started blocking GrapheneOS users

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Post by nicce »

moooo99 wrote: post #70

It is amazing how Volkswagen keeps messing up. I am currently in the market for a new car, an EV specifically. Volkswagen brands were at the top of my list for many reasons, among them the excellent driving assist implementation. I got an offer from a dealer three weeks ago and was going to order the car, then the API for the community integration got turned off. I decided to hold back and see what comes from it. Now…

> I got an offer from a dealer three weeks ago and was going to order the car, then the API for the community integration got turned off. I decided to hold back and see what comes from it. Now this, which ultimately - since I am a GrapheneOS user - makes me completely cancel my plans.

Make sure that dealers know why you changed your mind.

Re: Volkswagen started blocking GrapheneOS users

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Post by embedding-shape »

jabroni_salad wrote: post #155
iroddis wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably made worse by the fact that _every_ VW brand car I’ve driven has read about 10% high on the speedometer. I think I’m going 100 kph, but timing using the km markers on the highway show I’m going about 90. When I talked to the dealers, they said that the speedometers only have to be accurate +/- 10% according to the SAE specifications. After DieselGate I assumed that the high reading was to game the fuel consu…

I have a GTI and with cruise control on, the speedo and my phone's gps reads exactly the same speed.

I have a Audi A3, speedometer reads ~6km/h too high compared to GPS and various "speed-showing signs" I've driven past.

Re: Volkswagen started blocking GrapheneOS users

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Post by nicce »

okanat wrote: post #225
jqpabc123 wrote: post #39

Easy fix --- block VW from your car ownership.

Well you'll end up blocking all car ownership. Markets do not care about individuals.

> Markets do not care about individuals.

If most would do this, they are not individuals anymore.

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Post by SecretDreams »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #208
zie wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was just engineers engineering their way into creating Electrify America :)

I am pretty sure that was not the engineers, but someone higher up the food chain ordering people to do that. I might be wrong, but maybe I missed the obvious "/s" or "/i" here.

I think the latter on this one.

Re: Volkswagen started blocking GrapheneOS users

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Post by superxpro12 »

torginus wrote: post #151

Isn't this for the same reason why you can't do banking on an unlocked bootloader phone? There's no way to verify the integrity of the system, and any malicious app can just grab your banking credentials or enable criminals to unlock and drive away with your car.

a criminal can just steal your keys and take the car too... why is the phone subject to more stringent restrictions?

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Post by Plasmoid »

SoftTalker wrote: post #186
monomial wrote: post #97

Modern cars are such enshittified garbage. I was in a modern Toyota recently and every time you start it, the screen shows a "Guest mode activated" that you need to explicitly dismiss. The only way to disable this is to install some stupid Toyota app which I would never install. Then you dismiss the popup and the home screen is "Experience Drive Connect" which is some stupid Toyota subscription which I would never su…

Tell the dealer you won't buy unless they disable all that garbage. They may say they can't, and if they let you walk out maybe they really can't. Then ask them for a discount so you can replace the head unit with one that doesn't spy on you.

> if they let you walk out maybe they really can't

Toyota's have such a backlog of orders that they're marking cars up above MSRP

Re: Volkswagen started blocking GrapheneOS users

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Post by dredmorbius »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #123
doublerabbit wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Got my date wrong. What about twenty years ago?

In 2006, before Android, the iPhone, or app store existed? Were you even alive 20 years ago?

Keep in mind that the 1st-gen iPhone only supported a small set of built-in apps. Third-party apps didn't appear until 2008.

https://www.macstories.net/stories/10-years-of-app-store-a-t...>

HN discussion at the time:

- Apple iPhone SDK Event: iFund - $100 Million for iPhone Devs https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=130686>

And some early skepticism: "iPhone SDK And Restrictions: Some Of The Details Aren’t Great" (7 Mar 2008) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=131171> Mostly concerns limitations on the API and what capabilities are exposed.

And for those who care to do more digging, a couple of searches bounded on 5 Mar 2008 -- 6 Mar 2012, the first 4 years of the App store:

"iphone sdk": https://hn.algolia.com/?dateEnd=1331078400&dateRange=custom&...>

"iphone apps": https://hn.algolia.com/?dateEnd=1331078400&dateRange=custom&...>

"iOS apps": https://hn.algolia.com/?dateEnd=1331078400&dateRange=custom&...>

A very cursory eyeball of those shows some interest, but nothing overwhelmingly panglossian or critical. But I've not looked in depth.

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