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The hacker sent by Anthropic to calm the government's nerves about AI safety

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Re: The hacker sent by Anthropic to calm the government's nerves about AI safety

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Post by cyanydeez »

cmiles8 wrote: post #9

The AI labs look rather naive here. You can’t jump up and down screaming how amazing, powerful, and dangerous your new tech is and then act surprised and annoyed when the government shows up looking to regulate it. Their new argument now seems be that this was marketing hype/fluff that backfired, in a pretty obvious and predicable way, and now they’re trying to reset the conversation.

No. They got caught in a change in what it means to be "regulated".

Regulation in a functional democracy: Cool, lets figure this out, write up a bill for us, do some research in congress, lets find something that makes sense.

Regulation in a function fascism: Cool, wheres my bribe? My boots not shiny, lick it till I say stop.

See, Anthropic wasn't licking enough boot when Biden got discharged and they thought Amazon and OpenAI and Elon were just going to let them capture a market without fealty to the boot.

Re: The hacker sent by Anthropic to calm the government's nerves about AI safety

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Post by fnordsensei »

winstonp wrote: post #17
tiahura wrote: post #10

They need to send lobbyists not hackers.

They are absolutely clueless about how to talk to this administration.

Yes, why not resolve it the same way all the others have done?

Say that Trump has weird elbows or something, Trump sues for defamation, they settle, bribe completed.

Re: The hacker sent by Anthropic to calm the government's nerves about AI safety

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Post by sigmar »

>Some administration officials have said that a resolution should include an acknowledgment on Anthropic’s part that its rollout of Fable and communication with the White House could have been improved, people familiar with the talks said.

>followed initial frustration Friday among some administration officials when they couldn’t immediately get Amodei on the phone, the people said.

That he didn't drop everything to talk to them seems like the major crux? But Dario doesn't even do the day-to-day operations Daniela does. Feel like Anthropic should just hire Dean Ball to be their liason or something

Re: The hacker sent by Anthropic to calm the government's nerves about AI safety

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Post by lompad »

thewebguyd wrote: post #8
Simon321 wrote: post #5

These are the consequences of fear mongering as hard as they did. You reap what you sow. Now they need to convince the government that they didn't mean anything of the previous things they claimed.

OpenAI is also guilty of excessive fear mongering (remember GPT 2 is too dangerous to release?) This isn't 100% Anthropic's fault, although I'm sure that's part of it. This is the current corrupt administration executing on a grudge they have against Anthropic, and the government's new found love of picking winners and losers.

That was dario amodei as well, when he was still at openai. He is the primary "create hype by claiming you're dangerous"-guy.

Re: The hacker sent by Anthropic to calm the government's nerves about AI safety

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

cmiles8 wrote: post #9

The AI labs look rather naive here. You can’t jump up and down screaming how amazing, powerful, and dangerous your new tech is and then act surprised and annoyed when the government shows up looking to regulate it. Their new argument now seems be that this was marketing hype/fluff that backfired, in a pretty obvious and predicable way, and now they’re trying to reset the conversation.

This is 99% petty drama between the US government and Anthropic and 1% actual safety concerns.

Re: The hacker sent by Anthropic to calm the government's nerves about AI safety

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Post by bellowsgulch »

cmiles8 wrote: post #9

The AI labs look rather naive here. You can’t jump up and down screaming how amazing, powerful, and dangerous your new tech is and then act surprised and annoyed when the government shows up looking to regulate it. Their new argument now seems be that this was marketing hype/fluff that backfired, in a pretty obvious and predicable way, and now they’re trying to reset the conversation.

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Re: The hacker sent by Anthropic to calm the government's nerves about AI safety

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Post by voidfunc »

cyanydeez wrote: post #21
cmiles8 wrote: post #9

The AI labs look rather naive here. You can’t jump up and down screaming how amazing, powerful, and dangerous your new tech is and then act surprised and annoyed when the government shows up looking to regulate it. Their new argument now seems be that this was marketing hype/fluff that backfired, in a pretty obvious and predicable way, and now they’re trying to reset the conversation.

No. They got caught in a change in what it means to be "regulated". Regulation in a functional democracy: Cool, lets figure this out, write up a bill for us, do some research in congress, lets find something that makes sense. Regulation in a function fascism: Cool, wheres my bribe? My boots not shiny, lick it till I say stop. See, Anthropic wasn't licking enough boot when Biden got discharged and they thought Amazon…

This. Theres a lot of rude awakenings in the future for corporate executive types. They are no longer driving the train. Oh well.

Re: The hacker sent by Anthropic to calm the government's nerves about AI safety

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Post by yeeetz »

tiahura wrote: post #10

They need to send lobbyists not hackers.

They needed to have administration insiders on their team months if not years ago, not just now

OpenAI, Meta, SpaceX are savvy enough to play ball, but Anthropic's public posturing and government affairs has always seemed too aloof and intellectual

Re: The hacker sent by Anthropic to calm the government's nerves about AI safety

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Post by theplumber »

sigmar wrote: post #23

>Some administration officials have said that a resolution should include an acknowledgment on Anthropic’s part that its rollout of Fable and communication with the White House could have been improved, people familiar with the talks said. >followed initial frustration Friday among some administration officials when they couldn’t immediately get Amodei on the phone, the people said. That he didn't drop everything to…

I feel Dario did enough harm. I wonder if he can do the right thing and step down. It’s really just tiresome to follow all his PR/Hype/warnings and this fiasco makes everything he says seem so silly. At the same time he’s dangerous for the industry. In the end he may get more regulation than he asked for. If the gov decides the Opus models are too powerful without KYC they are toast. And to be honest I think they deserve it.
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