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Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by ajju »

khalic wrote: post #17
ajju wrote: post #3

Unfortunately saying it in the press is going to make it even harder for them in the current environment. I know this administration gets non-trivial support from the valley, but what to most outsiders seems like "targeting businesses based on personal vibes" is going to do long-term harm to the U.S. I hope those who represent technology in government, especially the AI head David Sacks are giving this due considerat…

Ah the good old “stop resisting” falacy

If you re-read my comment, I am not saying that.

It seems to be observably true that expressing opinions critical of the administration, even about one's own business, leads to further harm from government right now in the U.S. in a country which is supposed to have strong freedom of speech rights.

It's obviously unfortunate that this is the case.

It's also a shame that this is happening when the folks regulating AI have a tech industry background.

The administration seems to be clearly signaling "stop resisting". I am not sure how you read me as saying that.

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by 0xy »

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #125
0xy wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? Fable was designed to refuse to work on security issues, as Anthropic specifically confirmed. How is forcing Fable to work on things behind guardrails not breaking a guardrail? This is Anthropic's own claim. They were very specific. Have you read their own claims?

Yes, I have read their own claims. Here's the relevant part: "When Fable’s classifiers detect a request related to cybersecurity, biology and chemistry, or distillation, the response is automatically handled by Claude Opus 4.8 instead. Users will be informed whenever this occurs." Asking Fable to fix bugs in a code base is not "a request related to cybersecurity." When Fable was asked to fix bugs and then proceeded t…

Fable specifically refused to harden the security of codebases. If you use misdirection to force Fable to do just that, that's the removal of a guardrail.

Anthropic specifically stated that ANY security requests should be shunted to Opus 4.8. This was bypassable.

I don't see what your confusion here is. Fable was prevented from working on any security tasks. A significant amount of people, myself included, witnessed Fable refusing to harden code as a result. Bypassing that is a bypass of guardrails.

Your assertion that working on security is not working on security because you used misdirection is of course, preposterous.

You wouldn't be making the same claim if Fable refused to work on chemical weapons research but happily proceeded to do so if you claimed it was for eradicating pests.

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by ajju »

fumar wrote: post #71

Is regulation unregulated in the US? As in it’s missing consistency and transparency. Beyond Anthropic, the US signals to the world that depending and using American solutions is high risk. Is that what the US government desires? The digital battleground across regions is on the rise. I don’t see us as the US on the right path.

The current administration's actions are for sure signaling a distinct lack of predictability or stability.

The U.S. is either harming itself erratically, or systematically enforcing control on US based businesses in a way that is historically more synonymous with, say, China.

A lot of us worry it is the former. I wonder if it's better or worse if it is the latter. The US, having seen that Europe and the world seem to tolerate interference by CPC based on opinions expressed by Alibaba or Chinese car companies, may have decided that it's fair game.

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Post by digitaltrees »

ajju wrote: post #133
fumar wrote: post #71

Is regulation unregulated in the US? As in it’s missing consistency and transparency. Beyond Anthropic, the US signals to the world that depending and using American solutions is high risk. Is that what the US government desires? The digital battleground across regions is on the rise. I don’t see us as the US on the right path.

The current administration's actions are for sure signaling a distinct lack of predictability or stability. The U.S. is either harming itself erratically, or systematically enforcing control on US based businesses in a way that is historically more synonymous with, say, China. A lot of us worry it is the former. I wonder if it's better or worse if it is the latter. The US, having seen that Europe and the world seem t…

Actually they’re predictable: loyalty and submission to trump personally. Every thing flow from that. It’s not the rule of law.

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by digitaltrees »

Lionga wrote: post #67
amazingamazing wrote: post #12

> We’re proposing stronger regulation of the technology. We’re proposing giving the government the ability to, again in a narrow way, block deployment of unsafe technology. Anthropic CEO https://abc7.com/post/anthropic-ceo-dario-amodei-calls-stron...

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Regulation is a published rule applied equally to all the industry. Not one applied to a target for retribution or to extract submission

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by digitaltrees »

Lionga wrote: post #105
sanderjd wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, correct. Singling out companies based on political beefs and to incentivize everyone to curry favor is the worst way to do regulation.

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Remember arbitrary application of law expands and affects everyone. You will be affected. The advantage of the rule of law is the equal application to everyone.

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by virissimo »

digitaltrees wrote: post #135
Lionga wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Regulation is a published rule applied equally to all the industry. Not one applied to a target for retribution or to extract submission

Applying equally to all the industry is a characteristic of good regulation, not of regulation tout court.

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by sp4cec0wb0y »

tomjakubowski wrote: post #92
fumar wrote: post #71

Is regulation unregulated in the US? As in it’s missing consistency and transparency. Beyond Anthropic, the US signals to the world that depending and using American solutions is high risk. Is that what the US government desires? The digital battleground across regions is on the rise. I don’t see us as the US on the right path.

In the US regulation is, in theory, regulated by Congress, which passes laws granting regulation powers to the federal agencies. Congress and the laws it passes are, in theory, regulated by the Constitution, and interpretation thereof by the Supreme Court.

And the supreme court is unregulated (except for appointment and impeachment).

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Post by inglor_cz »

ifwinterco wrote: post #38
spelk wrote: post #28

One wonders if this might be a net positive for the world if Anthropic is forced to terminate it's non-US citizen employees. I would hope they return to their home countries with their expertise and start or join new competing frontier labs, similar to how Taiwan's homegrown semiconductor industry arose from US companies enforcing a bamboo ceiling on their Asian engineers. Taiwan was able to repatriate their national…

Indeed, forcing Europeans to stay in Europe might be the only thing that could revive the moribund European AI scene

Someone like Saudi Arabia may attract them with untaxed high salaries instead.
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