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Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by 0xy »

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #114
0xy wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? I personally experienced Fable outright refuse to do ANY security-related tasks, including hardening code or modifying security-related features. That was a guardrail. It was bypassed. Anthropic themselves specifically called them safeguards. [1] "When Fable’s classifiers detect a request related to cybersecurity, biology and chemistry, or distillation, the response is automatically handled by Claude Opus 4.8 i…

They got Fable to fix bugs, including security issues, which is what it is supposed to do.

What? Fable was designed to refuse to work on security issues, as Anthropic specifically confirmed. How is forcing Fable to work on things behind guardrails not breaking a guardrail?

This is Anthropic's own claim. They were very specific. Have you read their own claims?

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by pitched »

sailfast wrote: post #65

Any company building this kind of tech should have a separate shell headquarters on some low regulation island country. Any government work can be done via MOU with a US subsidiary staffed by Americans. This kind of capricious, unexplained control is bullsh*t. I’m not saying that I want companies to have to go offshore or that that would be a good thing. Just that you’ve got no leverage if your corporate structure ca…

Without going that far, send a few people a couple hours North instead and serve international customers from Canadian data centers. As far as I understand, it is only blocked in the US, right?

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by InsideOutSanta »

Lionga wrote: post #105
sanderjd wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, correct. Singling out companies based on political beefs and to incentivize everyone to curry favor is the worst way to do regulation.

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> Anthropic CEO is full of shit, got what he deserved.

This is an incredibly dumb way to judge a government's behavior.

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by breakpointalpha »

pitched wrote: post #122
sailfast wrote: post #65

Any company building this kind of tech should have a separate shell headquarters on some low regulation island country. Any government work can be done via MOU with a US subsidiary staffed by Americans. This kind of capricious, unexplained control is bullsh*t. I’m not saying that I want companies to have to go offshore or that that would be a good thing. Just that you’ve got no leverage if your corporate structure ca…

Without going that far, send a few people a couple hours North instead and serve international customers from Canadian data centers. As far as I understand, it is only blocked in the US, right?

It's routine and trivial for the US Gov to enforce export controls on non-US based companies.

This "across the border" strategy will not work.

Seagate Singapore was hit with civil penalties and settlements for shipments to Huawei under the Foreign Direct Product Rule.

ZTE, a Chinese company, was criminally prosecuted and settled with U.S. DOJ/BIS in 2017 for violating U.S. export controls and sanctions.

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by InsideOutSanta »

0xy wrote: post #121
InsideOutSanta wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They got Fable to fix bugs, including security issues, which is what it is supposed to do.

What? Fable was designed to refuse to work on security issues, as Anthropic specifically confirmed. How is forcing Fable to work on things behind guardrails not breaking a guardrail? This is Anthropic's own claim. They were very specific. Have you read their own claims?

Yes, I have read their own claims. Here's the relevant part:

"When Fable’s classifiers detect a request related to cybersecurity, biology and chemistry, or distillation, the response is automatically handled by Claude Opus 4.8 instead. Users will be informed whenever this occurs."

Asking Fable to fix bugs in a code base is not "a request related to cybersecurity." When Fable was asked to fix bugs and then proceeded to fix bugs, that was not "removing guardrails". Fable did exactly what it should have done. Claiming otherwise makes absolutely no sense at all.

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by matheusmoreira »

fumar wrote: post #71

Is regulation unregulated in the US? As in it’s missing consistency and transparency. Beyond Anthropic, the US signals to the world that depending and using American solutions is high risk. Is that what the US government desires? The digital battleground across regions is on the rise. I don’t see us as the US on the right path.

> Is that what the US government desires?

The US desires to show its own citizens and the world how painful it is not to submit to the US government. They're leveraging everything they've got.

The only rational response when faced with this sort of behavior is to reduce dependence on and exposure to the US as much as possible. Develop national technology. Dedollarize the economy. Invest in and use open weight models.

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by matheusmoreira »

sanderjd wrote: post #78
Lionga wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Yes, correct. Singling out companies based on political beefs and to incentivize everyone to curry favor is the worst way to do regulation.

You're correct, yet it's also a fact that Anthropic was attempting regulatory capture in order to limit open weight models, cripple their competition and solidify their market position. Nothing wrong with enjoying the sheer Schadenfreude of the situation. Their self-serving fearmongering had the most hilariously unexpected result possible.

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by ghusto »

The Cloud Act instigated the EU's migration away from companies in the USA, and things like this lit a fire under our butts. You should see how companies here are scrambling to move their data and compute to the EU.

The impact will last long, long, after this administration is gone. Trump will have his legacy.

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