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Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Ah yes, giving cybersecurity a 3 month advance is such a horrible thing to do!! Bad anthropic

I think they were totally correct in spirit. But RE: details about them giving access to an SK corp with possible Chinese ties. Of course that raises eyebrows in the USG, justifiably. Sloppy work from Anthropic.

No this is a pretext, nobody who is following the matter of their feud with Hegseth. Trump tweeted they’ll regret it. Textbook retaliation

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I mean obviously they're correct but also the complaints of the administration aren't totally without basis. - They're obviously being targeted politically because they refuse to kiss the ring, vibes, whatever you want to call it. - They're also justifiably being scrutinized because they just spent like 3 months telling everyone that Mythos is a nuclear bomb and telling the government to fuck off as they drip fed acc…

Ah yes, giving cybersecurity a 3 month advance is such a horrible thing to do!! Bad anthropic

https://freefable.org/

This has some insight in my many cyber security professionals want Fable/Mythos open.

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Is regulation unregulated in the US? As in it’s missing consistency and transparency. Beyond Anthropic, the US signals to the world that depending and using American solutions is high risk. Is that what the US government desires? The digital battleground across regions is on the rise. I don’t see us as the US on the right path.

Never interrupt your opponent while he is in the middle of making a mistake. –Sun Tzu

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That's hilarious. They aren't even wrong, but they asked for this. They accuse Trump of targeting them? I accuse Anthropic of targeting open source models with outright banishment in order to solidify its own economic position. They tried some "enlightened" variation of regulatory capture, but didn't dance to Trump's tune, so Trump gave them the regulation they wanted so much.

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I mean obviously they're correct but also the complaints of the administration aren't totally without basis. - They're obviously being targeted politically because they refuse to kiss the ring, vibes, whatever you want to call it. - They're also justifiably being scrutinized because they just spent like 3 months telling everyone that Mythos is a nuclear bomb and telling the government to fuck off as they drip fed acc…

The amount of self owning that is happening to AI companies is crazy. I don't understand why their marketing department/execs can't see the conflict between claiming AI is going to take all jobs, that the model is super dangerous and AI hate among the general public, increased governmental oversight. Anthropic is guilty of the latter but the former applies to most of these AI companies.

As far as I can tell, much of Anthropic genuinely believes that someone will build an AI in the next 3-20 years that's significantly smarter than any human alive. Sounds wild, but a lot of their people have been saying this since 2018 or even earlier. I think they're true believers. Furthermore, they believe that building such an AI would be dangerous.

So their plan is:

1. We can't stop other people from building something dangerous.

2. But we can get there first.

3. If we build it, it has maybe a 15% chance of killing everyone alive. (I think that's a number I've seen Dario use before, but I may be wrong.) If OpenAI or China build it, the odds would be worse.

Obviously, if Anthropic is actually correct about (1) and (3), then nobody should allowed to build frontier AI.

People find it really hard to believe that (a) anyone believes in the possibility of dangerous AI in our lifetimes, and (b) that someone could believe what Anthropic seems to believe and then still go ahead and gamble with everyone's lives anyway.

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Anthropic employees are right, but maybe this is for good. It certainly has opened my eyes. I can’t rely on using a technology that the US administration can ban at will. IMO without getting into personal thoughts about how capable the current US administration is, last Friday move sent a very powerful signal to the industry. Also I don’t think China releasing so many good models, capable to compete with Opus 4.8 and…

Good luck with your trade secrets I guess

You can run the Chinese models on your infra, most are open weights. Not saying it’s out of the goodness of their heart, but the fact is, they’re open.

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Yep, any American closed model is now a de facto existential risk for any company relying on them. The latest open models are so good it’s worth the 6-8 months delayed capabilities. At least for coding

I will use the best available while it is available. 8 months ago with Codex would be intolerable today.

On a personal level, ditto. But at a business level, this kind of uncertainty will kill you. You need to be able to plan ahead.

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Yes, correct. Singling out companies based on political beefs and to incentivize everyone to curry favor is the worst way to do regulation.

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During the Obama administration, when solar companies were subsidized, the refrain was that "government was picking winners and losers". But now, there's a cut and dry case of one company getting targeted by the administration. Either ban all the powerful models or ban none of them.

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Are you saying that you think the US government is unpredictable and arbitrary, but that the People’s Republic of China is not? Do you remember all the PRoC’s strange and sudden policy shifts (e.g. steel, real estate, education, football/soccer, etc.)? It seems to me that in the case of AI (as with many other modern technologies), you rely on vendor/creator support and updates to stay relevant, so the ‘next’ model ma…

Right now I rely on whoever that is opensourcing the models. I wholeheartedly agree with what you said about China. But I can’t shrug off the fact that fable was taken down within minutes for reasons that are childish and petty. I am sorry but I can’t use any US AI if I don’t have the guarantee that I will be able to use it tomorrow. And Trump showed us he is willing to take it out whenever he wants. An opensource mo…

> And Trump showed us he is willing to take it out whenever he wants.

Yes, the actions of this administration on Friday should have sent shockwaves through the market - a market that's currently "high on AI". How do you get a return on all of that AI investment if the administration can jump in at any time and say "Nope, you can't use this very advanced model!"? (the Iran "deal" over the weekend, I think helped cushion that blow, but eventually it's going to sink in)

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