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Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by sanderjd »

martythemaniak wrote: post #26

Yes, obviously. People really need to update their priors on how the US operates now. Laws are out, loyalty is in. There is an extraordinarily powerful unitary executive in whom the will of the people resides and it is the job of the government and society to work towards the will of this powerful executive. There are no checks or balances or alternative centres of power (civil, political, clerical, etc) allowed. Thi…

People don't need to update their priors to accept that this is the new way, they need to recognize the reality of the current situation and also its aberrance.

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by tomjakubowski »

fumar wrote: post #71

Is regulation unregulated in the US? As in it’s missing consistency and transparency. Beyond Anthropic, the US signals to the world that depending and using American solutions is high risk. Is that what the US government desires? The digital battleground across regions is on the rise. I don’t see us as the US on the right path.

In the US regulation is, in theory, regulated by Congress, which passes laws granting regulation powers to the federal agencies. Congress and the laws it passes are, in theory, regulated by the Constitution, and interpretation thereof by the Supreme Court.

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by sanderjd »

esafak wrote: post #35
seydor wrote: post #19

Trump vs anthropic Elon vs openai Trump vs elon Bezos vs anthropic When movie?

What do you need a movie for; we're living it?

The movie version will hopefully be more fun. My experience of the rise of Facebook was dull and depressing. But The Social Network is a great film.

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Post by rdtsc »

sanderjd wrote: post #69
rdtsc wrote: post #60

Didn't their CEO argue how super powerful and dangerous their AI models are and government should be able to restricting usage https://abc7.com/post/anthropic-ceo-dario-amodei-calls-stron... > "We're proposing stronger regulation of the technology, proposing giving the government the ability to, again, in a narrow way, block deployment of unsafe technology," he said. The government: "We're restricting its usage to US…

I mean, yes, correct, literally "not like that" is the complaint. Government arbitrarily picking and choosing what's allowed in order to force everyone to curry favor is very different from an general well-documented regulatory framework. It is not weird for someone who favors the latter to call foul at the former.

> Government arbitrarily picking and choosing

Their CEO was asking for it. Their whole marketing angle is their model is so powerful and dangerous.

Someone showed the government how the powerful and dangerous features can be unlocked with a 'fix bugs' prompt then it when and did exactly what their CEO asked for.

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Post by extr »

Ataraxic wrote: post #79
extr wrote: post #63

I mean obviously they're correct but also the complaints of the administration aren't totally without basis. - They're obviously being targeted politically because they refuse to kiss the ring, vibes, whatever you want to call it. - They're also justifiably being scrutinized because they just spent like 3 months telling everyone that Mythos is a nuclear bomb and telling the government to fuck off as they drip fed acc…

The amount of self owning that is happening to AI companies is crazy. I don't understand why their marketing department/execs can't see the conflict between claiming AI is going to take all jobs, that the model is super dangerous and AI hate among the general public, increased governmental oversight. Anthropic is guilty of the latter but the former applies to most of these AI companies.

To me they are genuinely trying to walk a tough line - they legitimately believe that they need to warn the public and make a lot of noise so society can try to adapt to this technology. OTOH no adaption (good or bad) can take place if the models themselves are so restricted as to be inaccessible, or if the powers that be don't understand it well enough to put the right policy/laws in place.

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Post by sanderjd »

rdtsc wrote: post #95
sanderjd wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, yes, correct, literally "not like that" is the complaint. Government arbitrarily picking and choosing what's allowed in order to force everyone to curry favor is very different from an general well-documented regulatory framework. It is not weird for someone who favors the latter to call foul at the former.

> Government arbitrarily picking and choosing Their CEO was asking for it. Their whole marketing angle is their model is so powerful and dangerous. Someone showed the government how the powerful and dangerous features can be unlocked with a 'fix bugs' prompt then it when and did exactly what their CEO asked for.

And yet, "not like this" is still the correct conclusion to draw with respect to this kind of corrupt political favoritism.

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Post by 8note »

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #22
giancarlostoro wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. They also wanted more regulation around AI. I'm guessing they're no longer quite as interested in this.

Blocking one model is not regulation. The comments on this so far are wild.

bad regulation is still regulation

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by extr »

khalic wrote: post #81
extr wrote: post #63

I mean obviously they're correct but also the complaints of the administration aren't totally without basis. - They're obviously being targeted politically because they refuse to kiss the ring, vibes, whatever you want to call it. - They're also justifiably being scrutinized because they just spent like 3 months telling everyone that Mythos is a nuclear bomb and telling the government to fuck off as they drip fed acc…

Ah yes, giving cybersecurity a 3 month advance is such a horrible thing to do!! Bad anthropic

I think they were totally correct in spirit. But RE: details about them giving access to an SK corp with possible Chinese ties. Of course that raises eyebrows in the USG, justifiably. Sloppy work from Anthropic.

Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by khalic »

enraged_camel wrote: post #49
seviu wrote: post #20

Anthropic employees are right, but maybe this is for good. It certainly has opened my eyes. I can’t rely on using a technology that the US administration can ban at will. IMO without getting into personal thoughts about how capable the current US administration is, last Friday move sent a very powerful signal to the industry. Also I don’t think China releasing so many good models, capable to compete with Opus 4.8 and…

>> I can’t rely on using a technology that the US administration can ban at will. And you think China will not do the same thing if their models ever become genuinely frontier-level?

Then the US will publish their own open weights to outmanoeuvre china.

What’s intolerable is having a tool that’s subject to this risk.

So open models it is

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