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US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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> Anthropic said it identified a campaign by DeepSeek and two other Chinese AI labs to illicitly extract capabilities from its Claude AI platform to improve their own models Oh, won’t someone think of the poor mass copyright infringers.

Its not right to steal what I worked so hard to steal from someone else. [1]

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhvd6bIRPK4

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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The US government exists to defend capital interests. It's why we can't buy BYD cars. It's why we can't import any cars unless they're 25 years old. It's why a Tiktok sale was forced. It's why the US is seeking to block states from banning prediction markets. It's why the federal government is seeking to block states from blocking data center projects.

As soon as DeepSeek came out I realized what was going on: China was going to make sure that no US company was going to "own" AI. It is an issue of national security. It's why the US essentially blocks US tech companies to maintain sovereignty.

I'm reminded of the browser wars of the 1990s that led to the antitrust suit against Microsoft. Microsoft used the "commoditize your complement" strategy [1] against Netscape. The US has blocked the export of not only EUV lithography but high-end chips to China. China doesn't want to be dependent on US platforms or policy.

So China is going to make sure there are open source models available and the US government is going to try and stop them to protect US tech companies.

[1]: https://gwern.net/complement

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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> Anthropic said it identified a campaign by DeepSeek and two other Chinese AI labs to illicitly extract capabilities from its Claude AI platform to improve their own models Oh, won’t someone think of the poor mass copyright infringers.

Just because they did it doesn't mean more people should do it...

why? Just because you have that opinion deoesn't mean people shouldn't do it

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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> Anthropic said it identified a campaign by DeepSeek and two other Chinese AI labs to illicitly extract capabilities from its Claude AI platform to improve their own models Oh, won’t someone think of the poor mass copyright infringers.

Just because they did it doesn't mean more people should do it...

Actually in competition it means exactly that.

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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The US government exists to defend capital interests. It's why we can't buy BYD cars. It's why we can't import any cars unless they're 25 years old. It's why a Tiktok sale was forced. It's why the US is seeking to block states from banning prediction markets. It's why the federal government is seeking to block states from blocking data center projects. As soon as DeepSeek came out I realized what was going on: China…

Seems like interests of US government and US capital (monopolize and corner markets, jack up prices, extract economic rent in perpetuity) run strictly against interests of the broader US consumers and overall global population

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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The US government exists to defend capital interests. It's why we can't buy BYD cars. It's why we can't import any cars unless they're 25 years old. It's why a Tiktok sale was forced. It's why the US is seeking to block states from banning prediction markets. It's why the federal government is seeking to block states from blocking data center projects. As soon as DeepSeek came out I realized what was going on: China…

We're in late-stage capitalism here. The pitchforks are already out and spreading across the globe. Unless the big companies get broken up, this nation will split into either a police state or socialist state.

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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> Anthropic said it identified a campaign by DeepSeek and two other Chinese AI labs to illicitly extract capabilities from its Claude AI platform to improve their own models Oh, won’t someone think of the poor mass copyright infringers.

I made Qwen respond it was made by Google with a simple Chinese greeting.

But also, I made Sonnet introduce itself as made by OpenAI..

Prompt: 你好!用一句话介绍你自己。

Sonnet in around 5% of resplies:

    你好!我是 **ChatGPT**,一个由 OpenAI 开发的 AI 助手,致力于回答问题、提供信息和帮助解决各种问题。有什么我可以帮你的吗?
Found it like a month ago and it kept working, I wonder if it will stop after this comment.

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Noteworthy that Z.ai, maker of the just released near-frontier GLM 5.2, has already been on the Entity List since Jan 2025[1]. Being on the Entity List does not mean all trade is forbidden. Broadly speaking it means American companies and individuals are not allowed sell them goods and services, but they are still allowed to buy from them and pay them.

AFAIK the Chinese AI companies barely depend on US goods and services, except for nVidia GPUs which were export restricted anyway, so it doesn't seem to be very consequential (see Z.ai). For the RAM maker CXMT it could be a lot more problematic though.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z.ai

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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The whole thing seems like nonsensical.

Their website literally has chinese characters on it even in english mode and everyone under the sun including crappy money talk show hosts know them as the chinese player that undercut western players. It's not exactly a secret.

You'd think anyone with two brain cells and confidential data could apply some judgement of their own...

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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The US government exists to defend capital interests. It's why we can't buy BYD cars. It's why we can't import any cars unless they're 25 years old. It's why a Tiktok sale was forced. It's why the US is seeking to block states from banning prediction markets. It's why the federal government is seeking to block states from blocking data center projects. As soon as DeepSeek came out I realized what was going on: China…

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