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Re: Never talk to the police

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Post by sufficientsoup »

apothegm wrote: post #138
Spooky23 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

4 doesn't really happen, unless you're a mandated reporter and don't report child abuse. I used to have to testify in civil and criminal proceedings a few times a year as part of my job. If you aren't trained to talk to police or adversarial attorneys, don't. The magic is essentially talk to them like you would a call center agent. One topic per interaction. Use simple language. Answer a question directly. "He went t…

“Irish goodbye”?

Leave without announcing your departure

Re: Never talk to the police

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Post by mplanchard »

thayne wrote: post #39

But lawyers are expensive, and if it turns out you are just a witness, you are going to be spending a lot of money for nothing. And then consider if you are are the spouse or parent of a murder victim or missing person, and are innocent. You are almost certainly going to be a potential suspect, but you also want to help them find the actual criminal, and if hiring a lawyer makes you "look guilty", then the police mig…

Somebody else linked to a follow up talk by the lawyer in the video[0], in which he gives an example where this exact thing happened, and they wound up convicting the guy based on his attempts to help them. He was later exonerated.

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48560692

Re: Never talk to the police

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Post by mplanchard »

assimpleaspossi wrote: post #101
patwork wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's where this part applies to you: > NO, YOU CAN'T TALK THEM OUT OF IT > No, they don’t care about your story If you are suspected of a crime, your inclination is going to be to explain the situation because it must be a mistake. If you find yourself suspected of a crime, you should talk to a lawyer, not the police. People unknowingly break laws every day, yourself included. You have a right not to incriminate yo…

What you are fearing is fear itself. It's not going to happen and I have no reason to fear it will

Los of innocent people are convicted of crimes they didn’t commit, often on the basis of their conversations with the police. You have every right not to fear it, but it is not an uncommon occurrence

Re: Never talk to the police

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Post by itbeho »

lwansbrough wrote: post #16

It’s really important to know your rights. A lot of people think they know, but often times they don’t. And it gets those people in trouble. For example, you are required to provide identification when operating a vehicle at a traffic stop. No exceptions. Don’t get hung up on the reason for the stop, it doesn’t matter. Additionally, police can articulate in virtually any situation that they fear for officer safety, w…

I live in a small central California town. My wife and I enjoy a local band that plays occasionally at the local pub. I couldn't make it last weekend but my wife went with a friend and I picked her up after at about 10:00pm. Neither of us had anything to drink. Cop lights me up and pulls me over and claims I didn't stop at a stop sign, was weaving on the road and that my license plate light is out. All complete and utter lies. Cop said "Are you willing to take a sobriety test right now?" and I thought about it. My stubborn side wanted to say "hell yes, I'll take the test" but I've heard enough stories about cops fucking people over here that I just calmly said "No." He said "I can haul you in for that.." and I replied "And you'll look really bad in front of a judge if you force it and you find out I'm completely sober. I'll fight it the whole way." I was polite. Gave him my license and registration and cooperated as asked otherwise. He made us sit there on the main street for about 20 minutes while he sat in his car with his spotlight on us and didn't appear to do anything else. Then came back and tossed my license and registration at me and said he was giving me a verbal warning. Fuck these guys. I hear these stories all the time locally and I don't really see how anyone that experiences the petty lies can "back the blue".

Re: Never talk to the police

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Post by lwansbrough »

itbeho wrote: post #144
lwansbrough wrote: post #16

It’s really important to know your rights. A lot of people think they know, but often times they don’t. And it gets those people in trouble. For example, you are required to provide identification when operating a vehicle at a traffic stop. No exceptions. Don’t get hung up on the reason for the stop, it doesn’t matter. Additionally, police can articulate in virtually any situation that they fear for officer safety, w…

I live in a small central California town. My wife and I enjoy a local band that plays occasionally at the local pub. I couldn't make it last weekend but my wife went with a friend and I picked her up after at about 10:00pm. Neither of us had anything to drink. Cop lights me up and pulls me over and claims I didn't stop at a stop sign, was weaving on the road and that my license plate light is out. All complete and u…

No you got the order mixed up, you back the blue first, then this stops happening. Just don't forget to apply your bumper sticker.

Re: Never talk to the police

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Post by hitekker »

pseudalopex wrote: post #104
buellerbueller wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brosky: I called them no names. I referred to their argument as bonkers...

The quoted guideline covered your false separation. The discouraged example called a statement idiotic.

You’ve misinterpreted “bonkers” to mean “idiotic”. That failure of charity is on you, not the GP.

Re: Never talk to the police

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

treis wrote: post #36
Arainach wrote: post #15

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What would an example of #4 look like? Don't lie to the cops, but refusing to answer without a lawyer present should hold no legal consequences.

You can absolutely talk your way out of situations. Jeffery Dalhmer infamously convinced cops that his drugged victim was his boyfriend and they let him go. Probably not going to be able to do that after you're booked and in jail. I don't think it's terrible advice to not talk to the cops but it tends to discount the reality of the world. Going through any sort of criminal trial is expensive and has devastating life…

I dare say that Dahmer is an atypical example. If you are a serial killer and the police catch you, then it's well worth a gamble to try to talk your way out of it. Even if they try to fabricate evidence, it's likely not going to be as bad as what you've actually been doing.

Re: Never talk to the police

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Post by Lockal »

Sure, let lawyers spam HN every year with this narrative.

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Re: Never talk to the police

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Post by SoftTalker »

nobody9999 wrote: post #134
SoftTalker wrote: post #110

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Neither of whom are disinterested. The lawyer wants you to hire him to talk to the cops for you, and the retired cop is earning money by giving his "don't talk to the cops" speeches.

>and the retired cop is earning money by giving his "don't talk to the cops" speeches. Actually, the "retired cop" (he was not retired at the time of the video) was also a law student taking part in the law school lecture at the law school he was attending.

Law school lecture says you should hire a lawyer. Huh.

Re: Never talk to the police

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Post by nobody9999 »

SoftTalker wrote: post #149
nobody9999 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>and the retired cop is earning money by giving his "don't talk to the cops" speeches. Actually, the "retired cop" (he was not retired at the time of the video) was also a law student taking part in the law school lecture at the law school he was attending.

Law school lecture says you should hire a lawyer. Huh.

I know, right?

And those fucking cardiac surgeons are forever telling you that your brother in-law, the roofing contractor, shouldn't be performing your triple bypass surgery and that your only option is a "board certified" (whatever that bullshit means -- a couple grand every year, maybe?) heart surgeon. amirite?

And don't get me started on how useless dentists are. I have my own pliers. Geez Louise!

Please.

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