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Re: The future of GPS

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That can synergize with GPS. Many OEM Nav systems in cars these days do something similar in tunnels, where GPS signals are unavailable.

But if gyroscopes became precise enough, I can't think of a reason for needing GPS anymore, can you?

So you can put the phone to sleep. Depending on the power usage of the gyroscope.

Re: The future of GPS

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I don't think the future is GPS at all. I remember reading a while back about a researcher who was working on developing tiny optical gyroscopes that were ridiculously precise, the idea being that you can calibrate their position once and after that all future locations are determined simply by integrating the acceleration of the gyroscope. It would work in places that GPS can't (like caves). To me, that's really awe…

Dead reckoning is subject to cumulative errors, so that would have to be REALLY accurate.

Re: The future of GPS

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post #22

I don't think the future is GPS at all. I remember reading a while back about a researcher who was working on developing tiny optical gyroscopes that were ridiculously precise, the idea being that you can calibrate their position once and after that all future locations are determined simply by integrating the acceleration of the gyroscope. It would work in places that GPS can't (like caves). To me, that's really awe…

Dead reckoning is subject to cumulative errors, so that would have to be REALLY accurate.

To put it into perspective. Imagine a dead-reckoning system with 1ppm error (ridiculously low) and no drift (again ridiculous). Say you use this for in-car navigation. After driving around for 10k miles, the error is now 53 feet, which is too great for navigation.

Re: The future of GPS

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Off topic, but the "flying brick" would actually let you measure longitude; you get a lattitude fix via stars, and then the time from the position of the flying brick (which has a known period).

Re: The future of GPS

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post #22

I don't think the future is GPS at all. I remember reading a while back about a researcher who was working on developing tiny optical gyroscopes that were ridiculously precise, the idea being that you can calibrate their position once and after that all future locations are determined simply by integrating the acceleration of the gyroscope. It would work in places that GPS can't (like caves). To me, that's really awe…

Dead reckoning is subject to cumulative errors, so that would have to be REALLY accurate.

TIL "Dead Reckoning" is more than just a badass movie and band name. That's really neat!

Re: The future of GPS

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The key line in this article: "The disadvantage with this is that you wouldn’t get your location in real-time – it’s processed later." The viability of this seems tied to how long 'later' is. Most consumer uses of GPS require quick response times or you'll see a huge dropoff in usage.

If I'm running, or plotting a path in general, I don't need the GPS immediately. I think instantaneous GPS is mostly used for navigational and augmented reality purposes.

So, I could see there being some consumer uses for it, if you could demonstrate that the power saving was worth the wait.

Re: The future of GPS

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I thought this was going to suggest cloud route processing, like Apple Maps/Google Maps/Nokia Here where the GPS is done on the phone, but the routing is done in the cloud.

This is why your iPhone or Android is a hundred or even several thousand times faster to "recalculate" a new route when you take a wrong turn than your trusty, old Garmin. That's also why if you get lost in the middle of nowhere w/out cellular reception, you'll be hoping your old TomTom is still in the glove box - the maps and routing algorithms are all stored on the device itself (though this means the data on it gets outdated and you will need to update it, often for a price).

Re: The future of GPS

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I thought this was going to suggest cloud route processing, like Apple Maps/Google Maps/Nokia Here where the GPS is done on the phone, but the routing is done in the cloud. This is why your iPhone or Android is a hundred or even several thousand times faster to "recalculate" a new route when you take a wrong turn than your trusty, old Garmin. That's also why if you get lost in the middle of nowhere w/out cellular rec…

Doesn't google maps allow downloading of data to the phone for use without internet?

Re: The future of GPS

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post #28

I thought this was going to suggest cloud route processing, like Apple Maps/Google Maps/Nokia Here where the GPS is done on the phone, but the routing is done in the cloud. This is why your iPhone or Android is a hundred or even several thousand times faster to "recalculate" a new route when you take a wrong turn than your trusty, old Garmin. That's also why if you get lost in the middle of nowhere w/out cellular rec…

Doesn't google maps allow downloading of data to the phone for use without internet?

Yes, you can download a fairly large region and keep it on your device. It also downloads a route when you begin navigating so you could just turn off your wireless once you start and it'll still get you where you are headed.

Re: The future of GPS

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I don't think the future is GPS at all. I remember reading a while back about a researcher who was working on developing tiny optical gyroscopes that were ridiculously precise, the idea being that you can calibrate their position once and after that all future locations are determined simply by integrating the acceleration of the gyroscope. It would work in places that GPS can't (like caves). To me, that's really awe…

I am somewhat doubtful about gyroscope replacing GPS. If it can actually happen, it will require, as noted by others, re-tuned/tweaked/calibrated/adjusted every day/week to void accumulated error/noise.

Keep in mind that as precise as gyroscope can get, they could be susceptible to shock (if you drop it on the ground).

But I am interested in seeing how it could develop into

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