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Re: After AI takes everything

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Post by paul7986 »

idle_zealot wrote: post #99
paul7986 wrote: post #82

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And thinking about all our daily conversations that include data about businesses we patronize.. that is data / content AI can use too. Content we should be paid for alongside our pics, songs, videos and any human content we create that helps AI stay relevant!

It sounds to me like you're just describing the fact that these models are only trainable in the context of a functioning society, and are capturing that value. It's more than just the snippets of public conversation and paper trails, and it would be a problem in and of itself to try to account for what every person is owed in exchange for the marginal value they contribute. In other words, you're reinventing taxatio…

i saw the CEO of Cloudflare saying he thinks AI should pay us to access our content. That made me think every human should have a website they publish to and AI pays a toll to access their website/content.

And I think yes these models would die if we all went back to living off the land.

Re: After AI takes everything

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Post by mizzao »

no_multitudes wrote: post #5

Writing tip: you do not need to have LLMs expand your ideas into a longer form for you. Spreading out your ideas across a longer post does not make them better.

I actually didn't smell AI at all while reading this article, because the idea density seemed high, rather than when AI just expands a few ideas into repetitive mumbo jumbo. The last portion was a bit wordy and metaphysical, but he landed the plane at the end.

Re: After AI takes everything

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Post by lelanthran »

rayiner wrote: post #106
lelanthran wrote: post #87

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> If it replaces work, then great, that’s the stuff we didn’t need to do anyway. If that were true, you would have done it (given up working) by now. You haven't, hence it's not true.

I do it because I believe humans have a moral obligation to power the various cogs of society. If humans are no longer needed to power said cogs, then I no longer need to do it.

> If humans are no longer needed to power said cogs, then I no longer need to do it.

Okay, and you think that your situation of not needing any income applies to everyone else?

Re: After AI takes everything

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Post by ruicraveiro »

bregma wrote: post #51
stemlord wrote: post #35

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That really pissed me off. Why do people continute to pretend they can predict the future

Get used to it: I think we're going to be pretending to predict the future for many years to come.

I see what you did there.

Re: After AI takes everything

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Post by lookACamel »

no_multitudes wrote: post #103
627467 wrote: post #85

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Isn't the original post in Chinese? English is probably llm translated - like the whole blog

LLM translations of non-LLM text don't generally look as bad as this does. Many of the LLM-y traits -- inappropriate overuse of bolding and em-dashes, aggressively punchy sentences, and an essay that seems artifically stretched out to hit a word count -- are not affected by translation.

You can switch to the Chinese language version. Why don't you read that one first before deciding if it's LLM generated.

Re: After AI takes everything

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Post by duncangh »

idle_zealot wrote: post #79
embedding-shape wrote: post #67

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> If AI was paying for us all the content we create daily just by living, humans would love it. It would be a cyclical relationship where AI thrives off all the daily content all humans create daily and AI pays us for the privilege to thrive off of us (our content). I think you're on to something. Imagine OpenAI and Anthropic suddenly started funding millions of artists worldwide, basically "we pay monthly rent and f…

I don't think a private company could possibly swing that, but that general arrangement would be welcome as part of a copyright reform package. Like the mandatory licensing we did for song covers back when we cared more about pretending that copyright was meant to balance art and profits. You want to train on something? Fine, no need to negotiate 1,000,000,000 licenses, that would be impossible. Just check the regist…

Interested to read more about this particular crossroads of copyright case law.

Also does the last sentence reflect (at least in part) what you describe (in partial jest?) in the last sentence? Iirc artists previously had to call to get permission from original owner of songs samples and I remember hearing anecdotes like Kanye promising someone he wouldn’t swear in a song with the sample of it were used (and I think most of ye’s samples constitute fair use but not sure). Anyways, you seem knowledgeable to joke about this ultra niche so thought I would ask ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: After AI takes everything

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Post by imhoguy »

cdfalcon wrote: post #80
no_multitudes wrote: post #5

Writing tip: you do not need to have LLMs expand your ideas into a longer form for you. Spreading out your ideas across a longer post does not make them better.

You think this was written by AI? I'm curious, why? Anytime I'm about to read a long post I generally paste it into a few detectors for sanity, but none of them flagged anything for this one. I read the entirety and thought it was pretty compelling - long maybe, but thoughtful. I appreciated the historical quotes interjected, and didn't find the prose suspect.

"—" "blast radius"

done :)

Re: After AI takes everything

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Post by edukite »

pixl97 wrote: post #77
edukite wrote: post #21

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But it's not good enough. We can see this all over industry where even M$ is producing software so bad even calculator is electron app. Slow, poor quality and for any engineer below acceptable

Producing things that aren't good enough has never stopped companies from becoming multibillion dollar entities. I've been waiting for 40 years for good software to take over the market... and I'm still waiting.

I don't know any company with below good enough soft which became multibillion-dollar entity. Contrary M$ has started to have issues after recent "improvements"

Re: After AI takes everything

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Post by silksowed »

visarga wrote: post #25

I have my own take on what is ours and can never be taken away by AI. When a task is initiated, it starts from a need, from a specific context. To work it out the AI needs to continuously interact with the context, and get feedback from it. At the end gains, losses, risks and costs sink back in the context. The context is you, the person who prompts, your team or company. It is indexical and relational. It is maximal…

Well said. Deciding what to build is derived by experience in the context of your problem space, and that is human centric. Makes me encouraged that as AI tooling increases in adoption, more people will build things to solve their problems. Instead of large corporations hoarding talent and then building things for people, I could see more small business success where they sit closer to the very things that need solving.
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